Koastal Karl
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Been on every BC Ferry now!!!!!
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 17, 2007 18:01:14 GMT -8
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 17, 2007 18:06:10 GMT -8
Great pics guys. You can really start to see the difference in size between the C's and their younger sister.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 17, 2007 18:12:33 GMT -8
Excellent photos, Scott and Karl. I like how "different" she looks for the other C-Class Ferries.
I've just done a Youtube search on the Coastal Renaissance, to see if anything else has come up, and it has. Someone has posted a video from riding a vessel that greeted the CR as she came into Victoria. The video is nearly 5 mins long, and you can hear what David Hahn had to say about it all.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 17, 2007 18:31:54 GMT -8
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Post by Scott on Dec 17, 2007 19:12:27 GMT -8
In my opinion the original C's, while overshadowed by a larger, more colorful, more impressive big sister, are much prettier ships with nicer lines at every angle. I'm sure inside, they'll feel like barges compared to a trip on the CR - but for the looks, I still prefer the older ships.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Dec 18, 2007 11:09:08 GMT -8
For the most part, I agree with John in his comparison. Especially from an end view, the C's just make more sense, visually. Car decks, passenger deck, bridge on top. The CR looks odd when you focus on the bridge, squashed underneath the upper decks, with that row of dark windows overhead looking like the visor that Geordi wore on Star Trek: Next Generation.
The side of the CR looks better than the C's, though- classier, more ship like. The Oak Bay and her sisters all have sides that look like tin cans with rows of holes punched in them; to me, anyway.
No question, though, that in our rainy climate, the covered outside promenade deck on the new boats will be a great improvement over the C's open sundeck, which of course, you'll also have.
What I'm having trouble figuring out is all the talk about how much wider the new vessels are. The official specs for the CR list it's breadth, overall, as 28.2 metres. Transport Canada has the Spirits at 27.2, and the C's at 27.6. Obviously the end profiles must be considerably different for BC Ferries to have make dock alterations.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 18, 2007 12:14:00 GMT -8
I love seeing all the photos of CR. I have a question. Does anyone know if the pickle forks, which extend beyond the bridge wings, will be accessible by passengers, or will that be restricted space?
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Nick
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Post by Nick on Dec 18, 2007 12:16:03 GMT -8
The hull forms of the Cs and Super-Cs are reasonably similar, but the superstructure of the Cs is much more "oval like", whereas the Coastals are a little "boxier". The Coastals are MUCH wider at the bow and stern than the Cs, which is why dock alterations had to be made.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 18, 2007 12:41:50 GMT -8
They will be restricted under way and open for foot passenger disembarkation at one of the terminals after docking. I believe they will use the pickle forks at Horseshoe Bay. Or is it Departure Bay? Now I can't remember.
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Post by Nickfro on Dec 18, 2007 13:00:20 GMT -8
They will be restricted under way and open for foot passenger disembarkation at one of the terminals after docking. I believe they will use the pickle forks at Horseshoe Bay. Or is it Departure Bay? Now I can't remember. The pickle forks are used at the Horseshoe Bay end. The articulating ramp at Dep Bay extends farther up the vessel, beyond where the forks are located, at least on the existing C's. Great photos by all! I like the vantage points that show both generations of C Class vessels, and I agree that I prefer the design of the older ships, especially at the end of the ship. I think it will be the interior space that will be the biggest difference between the generations. |
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Post by In Washington on Dec 18, 2007 14:51:44 GMT -8
I have to weigh in on the wheelhouse position on the new boats. I guess we are so used to seeing the wheelhouse on top, making it an actual "house", that the lower deck placement just looks odd. It took me awhile to realize when I first looked at the drawings that the wheelhouse was actually not on the uppermost deck. I am sure the forward view is great but I kind of like to be able to look behind me...  An old fashioned guy. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 18, 2007 15:01:57 GMT -8
I'm kind of with you, In Washington. Now I know what it was about the bridges on those boats that bother me.
The bridge of a Super has an unparalleled view of the world, yes? (Though the Jumbos--both old and new--aren't bad either...)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 18, 2007 18:57:03 GMT -8
What I'm having trouble figuring out is all the talk about how much wider the new vessels are. The official specs for the CR list it's breadth, overall, as 28.2 metres. Transport Canada has the Spirits at 27.2, and the C's at 27.6. Obviously the end profiles must be considerably different for BC Ferries to have make dock alterations. On the Coastal class: Deck-6 (the Laforge deck) juts out at the side, at each end; because it is like a rectangle sitting on top of an oval. (PS: the "Laforge deck" has nothing to do with "Pride, Hustle & Desire", nor with having to run around a hockey-rink with full equipment on. That joke's for you, Neil). |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 18, 2007 19:03:01 GMT -8
They will be restricted under way and open for foot passenger disembarkation at one of the terminals after docking. I believe they will use the pickle forks at Horseshoe Bay. Or is it Departure Bay? Now I can't remember. Pickles would likely be used at Horseshoe Bay, as the mainland-side is where the pax-ramp-area is closer to the berth. On the Island side, the walkway joins the vessel further towards mid-ships. darn V-Class cafeteria gets in the way, on the Island..... |
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Post by DENelson83 on Dec 19, 2007 14:00:07 GMT -8
What does "Pride, Hustle & Desire" mean in this context?
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Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 19, 2007 14:24:22 GMT -8
So, does the Star Trek reference mean I can get away with calling her a UFO?  |
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Post by yep on Dec 19, 2007 20:22:37 GMT -8
I recently went on the BCF website and shows the CR leaving departure bay at 102.3 knots!
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Post by DENelson83 on Dec 19, 2007 20:23:12 GMT -8
Can we get a snapshot of the CR as soon as she sports "Victoria" as her POR?
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Dec 19, 2007 20:54:55 GMT -8
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Dec 19, 2007 22:05:04 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 19, 2007 22:30:42 GMT -8
What does "Pride, Hustle & Desire" mean in this context? The "P,H,D" comment was a few degrees separated from the Renaissance story. Here goes: - Neil remarked that the CR's deck-6 ends looked like Geordie Laforge's sunglasses on Star Trek TNG. - Another Mr. Laforge was "Bill Laforge", who was head coach of the Canucks for approx 20 games in the 1984-85 season (give or take 1 or 2 years). - Bill Laforge was a junior-hockey coach, with junior-hockey styles, who really didn't belong in the NHL. - Bill Laforge told that media that his philosophy on hockey was that he believed in "PHD".....which was meant to sound like the university-degree. He then explained that it meant "Pride, Hustle & Desire". - At training camp (in Duncan), he made the losing-team at scrimmages run around the arena in full gear. That's another junior tactic. So yeah, it was pretty vague and disconnected from the ongoing discussion. I'm like that..... ;D |
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Post by DENelson83 on Dec 19, 2007 23:10:53 GMT -8
Oh, that LaForge... Never heard of him. OK, NEXT! |
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Post by Taxman on Dec 20, 2007 11:34:41 GMT -8
Here is a Statement: Here is a question: Do the Coastals currently lack a Deck 3? It may seem like a poor question, but will they follow the current convention of Deck 2 being the Main Cardeck, 4 being upper and 5 & 6 being passenger? (and I guess deck 7 being the Sun Deck.
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Post by DENelson83 on Dec 20, 2007 12:48:18 GMT -8
Statement or question? Make up your mind. Yes, the Coastals do not have a deck 3 at this time. That deck number is reserved for hydraulic lift platforms. |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 20, 2007 18:40:52 GMT -8
Great Photos, Scott. I like it we're seeing the CR's "Better Side" or the 2010 Decal.
Coastals indeed don't have a official "Deck 3"...Yet. Something tells me They might decide someday when the volume of cars improves to install them
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An old fashioned guy.
