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Post by mrdot on May 30, 2011 16:31:56 GMT -8
:)talking about when clipper nav. operated the onetime Bby, under the Princess Margurete 111 label, it may have been the ugliest ships livery ever! it was gastly, and even the rusty slug look is an improvement! :omrdot.
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 30, 2011 17:25:51 GMT -8
I sailed on the PM3 when she was with the Victoria Clipper and I loved her interior. I dont know if there was much different between the Royal Victorian and the PM3 as far as interior I wished I had taken more photos. She was with Victoria Clipper so she would had to have been in Clipper colors. Much better than BC Ferries crews on Comox to Powell River who dont take care of their ships!
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Post by Name Omitted on May 30, 2011 17:49:36 GMT -8
Clipper Navigation operated the vessel for a short time, when it was named Princess Marguerite III. So, did Clipper Navigation (a private company) own the vessel at that time, or were they just leasing it from someone? Apparently it was a 5 year lease at $120,000 a year with Victoria Lines as the BC agency that owned her at the time. www.komonews.com/news/archive/3979816.html There is also a picture of the livery and it is... different. I don't own the photo, so will not hotlink. A better picture is here www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=7478, where it appears they kept the lower half of the Union Jack and repainted the funnel. It appears that the initial lease was a lease/purchase arrangement, but the operation still went $2 million in the hole, so she sailed back north. EDIT- a much better picture members.shaw.ca/ve7cgc/pmiii.html While I am partial to blue hulls, I still prefer the blue to be paired with gold.  |
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 1, 2011 21:54:11 GMT -8
Please do not blame the crews for the rusty conditions of the Burnaby. It's not their fault.
Regular crews do not handle much, if any painting at all. If there is any paint done, it's a duty given to an extra crew member once in a blue moon. But even then, the amount of prep work needed to have it done is tremendous and is hard to manage while the ship is on the run. Deas painters are the ones who are expected to do the work as it is a unionized position. But the cost of shipping them out to the ship isn't worth the cost and trouble unless it's absolutely necessary. But even then, it's only a matter of small touch ups that get done, such as painting an area that just had some welding done.
It's a number of factors that influence the situation, such as lack of replacement vessel, limited time to do the work, needing the ship off the run to do the necessary work. Unfortunately it's just not working out to the ships advantage.
She'll get the necessary work needed to be done very soon. Patience....
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 1, 2011 22:04:10 GMT -8
Please do not blame the crews for the rusty conditions of the Burnaby. It's not their fault. Nice reply to a "rediculas" comment. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 22, 2011 11:32:03 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 22, 2011 14:05:13 GMT -8
Don't be so sure of that. Bennett built his fleet on the strength of a provincial treasury flush with cash from indiscriminately mowing down old growth forests, ripping the ground open for pit mines, and fishing the seas with abandon. Given the economy that Gordon Campbell inherited, WAC might also have happily hired David Hahn and allowed him to paint his waves all over the privatized dogwoods. The ' Burnaby might not look any better. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and we've forgotten how happy so many people were to get rid of WAC in '72. Ferry fans have mythologized the guy a bit too much, methinks. Geez, Neil, are you writing background material for the NDP again? The IWA certainly didn't complain about activity in the forest during the 1960's and 1970s. Also keep in mind, those forestry practices were still very much in use during the NDP's time 1972 to 1975. They were very much in use even before WAC thought about entering politics. The equipment operators and Teamsters didn't seem to complain much either. I think that the point Neil was making was that the Provincial treasury was richer back in WAC's time, because of all the revenue from resource activity. - This is in comparison to today's times, where new environmental awareness and also new global economy issues make the Provincial treasury less rich, because of less revenue from resource extraction. The impact is that Provincial funding for ferries is now more scarce than it was in WAC's time. It's not a political comment, it's a history and economy comment. |
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Post by mrdot on Jun 22, 2011 14:56:00 GMT -8
:)another thing to keep in mind on going back to the WAC Bennett era and his amazing fast growth navy, was that when Dave Barrett followed with the new C class, and acquired the Stena Danica, I don't think he was rapeing our forests or other outrageous acts! :)I guess the best legecy I have from this time on the plannet, is a comfortabale retirement package, and lets hope those following are not left out! :)mrdot.
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Post by Neil on Jun 22, 2011 15:05:35 GMT -8
I think that the point Neil was making was that the Provincial treasury was richer back in WAC's time, because of all the revenue from resource activity. - This is in comparison to today's times, where new environmental awareness and also new global economy issues make the Provincial treasury less rich, because of less revenue from resource extraction. The impact is that Provincial funding for ferries is now more scarce than it was in WAC's time. It's not a political comment, it's a history and economy comment. That's basically it. Bennett wasn't unique in his lack of foresight when it came to natural resources, and the need to develop secondary industries. All over North America, governments were allowing all too loosely regulated mining, fishing, and logging, because of the easy revenue. Tended to make politicians like Bennett look like great builders with some of their capital projects, when often what they were doing was spending what should have been future generations' inheritance through poor stewardship of the land. Now finances are tight, and boats like the ' Burnaby are left far too long between spruce ups, and the damage is probably more than cosmetic. A 2011 version of WAC Bennett might have been just as frugal with maintenance as the Hahn regime. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 26, 2011 7:31:28 GMT -8
A few more photos of Queen of Burnaby from May 2011. - arriving at Westview at sunset.  -------------------- Getting ready to leave Little River - rippin' some smoke  View from the Little River beach, at Harwood Estates.  'Burnaby heads for Powell River  |
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Post by mrdot on Jun 26, 2011 9:40:11 GMT -8
:)you know that the dearly departed Esquimalt being towed down Alberni inlet, looked more pristine than the retched Nanaimo in her westview pose! But yes, as I have been reminded, these are different times! Anyways congrats. to mr horn for his photographic prowess! :)mrdot.
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Post by johnnytindale on Jun 26, 2011 17:58:17 GMT -8
I agree!! (and I'm sure you meant Burnaby not Ms. Nanaimo, right?)  |
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Post by priver on Jun 30, 2011 16:45:15 GMT -8
they have given the burnaby a coat of paint either last night or the night before the rust is gone on the port backside at least
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 30, 2011 17:19:52 GMT -8
they have given the burnaby a coat of paint either last night or the night before the rust is gone on the port backside at least How would they have done this, Priver? They have to bring a work crew from Deas to paint the ship, and none of us have heard anything about money being granted towards her painting, or the fact that workers were being displaced for the job. Plus, it would have taken time to do the work, and the 'Burnaby doesn't get time-off enough for BCF to have adequate time to do the job and let the paint dry. Also, the 'Burnaby is set for refit work in the next year, so why wouldn't they just paint her at that time? I'm not saying you're lying, Priver, I'm just saying I'm not sure what you're telling us makes sense. Could you elaborate on your statement? Did you see with your own eyes that she's been painted, or did you hear it through the grapevine? Do you have photos, or the opportunity to capture and post some photos soon? |
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Post by priver on Jun 30, 2011 20:32:04 GMT -8
im working down at the dock and i have seen it with my own eyes they have either cleaned her up really good or painted her. i will try and get down there to take pictures
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 30, 2011 20:58:09 GMT -8
Perhaps they have given her a good over night pressure washing. Lo & behold most of the ugly rust has disappeared, just in time for the peak tourist season.
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2011 22:09:06 GMT -8
Glad to hear the Burnaby is being cleaned up a little to take the edge off the rust. It wouldn't be the first time that a crew (sub contracted?) was called in to repel down the side of the ship. Not the most desired way of taking care of it, but it does happen. The same was done on the Nanaimo last summer overnight at Long Harbour
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jul 3, 2011 15:11:41 GMT -8
Greetings from Courtenay. I can confirm that the Burnaby has received a new coat of paint, as priver mentioned. Other than a few rust spots near her bow and on the funnel, she looks really good. Photos to come when I arrive back home...
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jul 3, 2011 19:43:48 GMT -8
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Jul 4, 2011 8:10:45 GMT -8
Wow, she looks really good! It's impressive they could do such a good job while she is in regular service. Thanks for taking those pics, Scott.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 4, 2011 19:03:34 GMT -8
Awesome! Sorry for doubting you, Priver! |
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Post by Starsteward on Jul 6, 2011 8:19:13 GMT -8
Scott, thanks for the updated shots of the good old 'Burnaby'! Never fails to impress me as to what a fresh coat of paint can do for anything, especially ships as they battle continuously with the havoc created by salt water and steel. Must get up that way and do a 'ride' one day soon  |
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Post by mrdot on Jul 6, 2011 11:33:16 GMT -8
:)after digesting the global news report last nite on the new BC ferry travelcentre's over million $ cost it is a wonder that there is any money left for paint touchups, I know as I have been reminded we are in different times from when wacky Bennett could ravage our resources, but one million was a third of the cost of his first new ferry, curious what we can now afford! I see this new photo wall is part of this downtown travel centre, and I believe some pics. that my brother and others of our forum are on this wall of plenty! :)mrdot.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 8, 2011 9:49:48 GMT -8
A rather long video recorded yesterday at about 6:30am of the Burnaby Queen departing Little River.
(She doesn't start really moving quickly until 1:30 on the video)
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 8, 2011 12:16:57 GMT -8
More of the Burnaby from July 7th. We'll start with video 2: And a whole bunch of photos... I like the morning light that I got at 6:30 as she left: Start with close-ups on various sections to highlight the paint job, or lack of it in certain spots:  Near the bow.  Upper superstructure near the funnel.  Stern.  More superstructure.  Deck 2 highlight. My videography gear:    Backing out.   The sun's rays poke through the clouds over the strait.  A bow view.  She spins around, giving me 360 degrees of viewing angle.  Sailing off to Powell River.   "Head towards the light!" |
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