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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 8, 2011 13:57:00 GMT -8
 A bow view. I love this photo. You are strong in the ways of the Ferry-Arts. well done! |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 13, 2011 20:49:01 GMT -8
Regarding the Burnaby's refit and the Little River dock upgrade, both coming up in Autumn 2011:
I'm not sure if the Burnaby's refit will coincide with the Little River dock upgrade or not.
- if not, then the Burnaby will be doing an alternate route from Westview to Buckley Bay (2 round trips per day).
- if the 2 events happen at same time, then it will be the Chilliwack doing the Buckley Bay route (2 round trips per day).
I learned this while chatting with Route-40 crew, but I didn't learn if it would be the Chilliwack or the Burnaby doing the Buckley Bay route.
No idea yet on where the car-staging will be at Buckley Bay.
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Post by FerryDude2012 on Jul 17, 2011 18:31:59 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 26, 2011 11:06:18 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Jul 27, 2011 17:50:18 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 31, 2011 15:30:23 GMT -8
from a recent BCFS service notice:
I think the last item (surveys & inspection) might be the most interesting.
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Post by chinook2 on Aug 31, 2011 16:58:59 GMT -8
By modernizing the elevator system, this means: making it go up and down??
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 31, 2011 17:02:48 GMT -8
By modernizing the elevator system, this means: making it go up and down?? Yes, and without a two-month time-period between the "up" and the "down". ;D |
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Post by Curtis on Aug 31, 2011 18:10:21 GMT -8
I agree with modernizing the elevator. That should have been updated years ago. Can they send the parts to fix the Island Sky's while they're at it.  |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 31, 2011 20:56:26 GMT -8
Finally the Burnaby is going in for a refit. It would be great if they did to her and the Nanaimo what they did to the New West, but even a new coat of paint and carpets would be huge. From the sounds of the press release, though, it looks like she'll be tip-top after refit. Fingers crossed the upper deck will be re-opened.  |
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Post by lmtengs on Aug 31, 2011 21:27:08 GMT -8
Finally the Burnaby is going in for a refit. It would be great if they did to her and the Nanaimo what they did to the New West, but even a new coat of paint and carpets would be huge. From the sounds of the press release, though, it looks like she'll be tip-top after refit. Fingers crossed the upper deck will be re-opened. They didn't mention anything about 'passenger services expansion' or anything of the like, so it's slim. Very slim. Especially considering that her existing facilities rarely get any more full than half full. In other news, the Viking drove 100 kilometers to Mission and back with a few little detours today on his day-old learners' driving license.  |
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 1, 2011 11:08:30 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see exactly what gets repaired with the Burnaby. I'd assume she's going to get the same work the Nanaimo recieved last winter on the car deck, which was partial removal of the sidewalk (The concrete sections) that follows along the center casing. I could possibly see the upper lounges being gutted and given the regular company branding, but I can't see them using those lounges again.
But when it comes down to it, I don't think there are going to be many surprises with this refit. The Nanaimo's refit last winter was about $9 million all said, and it was painted in the rain and snow. It didn't take long for the rusty decks to reappear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 21:20:34 GMT -8
The Burnaby is getting structural work she has issues Lets just say the metal fatigue is showing up, what do you expect the ship is old and needs a replacement. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 24, 2011 22:54:10 GMT -8
Jervis:
Do you think there's a chance that the Queen of Burnaby won't pass her safety-inspection at the end of this refit, say in late December ?
Is there a chance that Transport Canada could say "no", effectively removing the ship from the fleet, similar to what happened a few years ago in Washington State with their old Steel-Electric ferries?
just wondering about your opinion on that.
- for me, the certification at the end of the 'Burnaby's refit is what I'm concerned with. Maybe she'll be away for a long, long time?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 23:40:44 GMT -8
I don't think the Burnaby is to the point she won't pass CSI but I have been told she needs structrual repairs.
A person can expect that she is old ship and she does carry A LOT of commercial traffic during the week. Metal fatigue shows up things start to crack. A ship is like a woman things start to sag and get old looking ;D
Just the way it goes, the Burnaby needs some money sunk into her.
The new regulations have ramped up in the marine industry you are going to see many tug boats etc be taken out of service and scrapped because they won't pass CSI. The regulations have cost one company I know a little over half a million dollars to get one of their work boats to pass CSI.
BCF needs a replacement ship for the Burnaby the cost to rebuild her will be fairly expensive. Get her patched together to last another couple years.
The failure points on ferries is where the house works is welded to the hull. The area sees rust, metal fatigue etc really hard to repair. Up grading the electrical systems is very expensive.
I have been around steel boats all my life it does't matter how well you keep up maintenance steel boats rust. Steel cracks over time from wear and tear.
What is the Burnaby ? 46 something years old that is pretty darn good for a steel ship that operates 365 days a year.
BCF doesn't have the money to replace the Burnaby neither does the Provincial gov't. Is there any decent used ferries on the market that can replace the Burnaby ? I don't know I don't follow that kind of stuff.
Gov't loves screwing the gov't, Transport Canada and Coast Guard comes up with these regulations which costs millions of dollars.
It will be sad to see many working vessels on the coast of BC taken out of service because they won't pass the "New" regulations.
British Columbia doesn't have the ship building capacity to replace the hundreds of boats that won't pass CSI.
So all in all I doubt the Burnaby will be condemned right away but she is only getting a bandaid.
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 25, 2011 10:00:18 GMT -8
The Coast Guard does not come up with any regulations. We abid by the same TC regulations like any other company does. We are in no way exempt either.
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Post by piglet on Sept 25, 2011 17:44:36 GMT -8
Not to go all PC on you Jervis but, trust me from what I see its not only we ladys that sag a bit with age lol. If I worked as hard day in and out as the Qof B I am sure I would sag a bit after as many years.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 25, 2011 17:47:22 GMT -8
Not to go all PC on you Jervis but, trust me from what I see its not only we ladys that sag a bit with age lol. If I worked as hard day in and out as the Qof B I am sure I would sag a bit after as many years. Well said! |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 27, 2011 21:05:13 GMT -8
The 'Burnaby in 1995 as the Royal Victorian - from a 1995 brochure  |
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 29, 2011 9:04:25 GMT -8
Not to go all PC on you Jervis but, trust me from what I see its not only we ladys that sag a bit with age lol. If I worked as hard day in and out as the Qof B I am sure I would sag a bit after as many years. Well said! Just doing a little bit of name association for Jervis: At least the metal fatigue isn't to the point they got to on the old wooden Bainbridge/Jervis Queen, and no one's high heels have sheered through the deck plates, yet. |
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 29, 2011 9:56:52 GMT -8
BCF needs a replacement ship for the Burnaby the cost to rebuild her will be fairly expensive. Get her patched together to last another couple years. Speaking of which, I know BC Ferries earlier expressed interest in the Norwegian-built ferry Hiiumaa, which of course, they did not pursue at the time (see thread: ferriesbc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=newferries&action=display&thread=7710)Still, I wonder if that design, or something similar to it, is something that will be on the table going forward. At first glance, it seems like that type of vessel would be a good replacement for Burnaby and Nanaimo. Vikings pics of Fjord Lines Stavangerfjord, an older vessel of similar design, is even more compelling in my eyes, bercause it sure looks like something BC Ferries could use. |
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Post by Kam on Sept 29, 2011 10:56:43 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 29, 2011 11:25:36 GMT -8
That's an interesting design. I would love to see what Day Ferry's car deck configuration is. I still think the Norwegian ferry would be a better fit for Route 17 and Route 9 duties. What makes the design appealing is the double-ended configuration with a single central pilot house sitting above the passenger cabin. In this way, it is kind of similar to the I-Class vessels, but the really high sides and enclosed bows makes the design better suited for Strait of Georgia service. And, as it is double-ended, it facilitates easy roll-on, roll-off. I'm not sure about the lower vehicle hold, however. That feature may have to be eliminated or modified to suit BC Ferries operational needs. Here's a link to Fjord 1's newest ferry, which looks to be a sistership of Hiiumaa: www.ferryvolution.com/newbuilding-database/fjord-1/ |
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 29, 2011 14:48:58 GMT -8
According to the Stavangerfjord's crew, she is sistership to the Stavangerfjord and Mastrafjord. Maybe they're all sisterships to the Hiumaa, but I don't think so. This ship will be added to the same route as the Stavangerfjord and Mastrafjord serve, upping the number of ships on that route to 3. |
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 12, 2011 14:37:40 GMT -8
The Queen of Burnaby being towed down the Fraser River by the Tug, Sea Commander
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