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Post by ferryfanyvr on Oct 26, 2010 22:23:14 GMT -8
Woah, woah, woah. Since when does Cumby have gallery decks? Has she always had these? The Cappy doesn't have these installed, to my knowledge. It's weird, because I've never noticed these before on the Cumby. Do they ever use them? They must be hoistable, like on the Spirits, right? The Cumberland was built with the platform decks and the Capilano without. They use them frequently, especially in the summer. You may not have noticed them before because when not in use, they can be fully retracted.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 26, 2010 22:25:17 GMT -8
To my knowledge, the Cumberland has always had platform decks. Even go back to the first post on page 2 of this thread. Neil posted a photo of a very brand new Cumberland on Sea trials, with bow visors and all. The platform decks are used quite often on there, especially on the commuter runs in the early mornings, and also late afternoon/early evening sailings. They're full retractable just like the Spirits as well, and they're very time consuming to use. The ramps themselves are painfully slow to raise and lower I've noticed.
The Capilano however, has never had these installed.
Why? Probably because they would never get used on the Capilano. Why? Because the ship would always be running late if they tried to use them for just a 20 minute crossing. A trip on the Cumberland can last up to an hour and a half, and the next sailing could be a number of hours from that time = worthwhile to cram as many as you can.
Also to clarify the difference between a Platform Deck and a Gallery Deck: A gallery deck is a fixed deck extra deck. Where as a platform deck can be retracted and stowed out of the way. The Queen of Nanaimo/Burnaby have platform decks, even though the decks themselves are fixed, but the ramps and flaps are fully retractable, deeming worthy of being considered a platform deck.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 26, 2010 22:28:15 GMT -8
To my knowledge, the Cumberland has always had platform decks. Even go back to the first post on page 2 of this thread. Neil posted a photo of a very brand new Cumberland on Sea trials, with bow visors and all. The platform decks are used quite often on there, especially on the commuter runs in the early mornings, and also late afternoon/early evening sailings. They're full retractable just like the Spirits as well, and they're very time consuming to use. The ramps themselves are painfully slow to raise and lower I've noticed. The Capilano however, has never had these installed. Why? Probably because they would never get used on the Capilano. Why? Because the ship would always be running late if they tried to use them for just a 20 minute crossing. A trip on the Cumberland can last up to an hour and a half, and the next sailing could be a number of hours from that time = worthwhile to cram as many as you can. In the future, maybe lets say that they need a larger vessel on the Bowen route, might they install gallery decks on the Cap and have her join Cumby on the Gulf Islands milk run?
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Post by Curtis on Oct 26, 2010 22:42:50 GMT -8
It might be a reasonable investment to have the Cap in the Gulf Islands with Platforms installed...we just need to either build a new Route 7 Vessel to redeploy the I-Sky to Bowen or just build a 2nd I-Sky for Bowen.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 26, 2010 22:47:20 GMT -8
It might be a reasonable investment to have the Cap in the Gulf Islands with Platforms installed...we just need to either build a new Route 7 Vessel to redeploy the I-Sky to Bowen or just build a 2nd I-Sky for Bowen. I was just thinking that maybe BCF would rather just build a new Island Sky-type vessel with permanent Gallery decks, similar to those of the C-class ferries, and put that on the Cumby's route, then just leave Cap on Bowen's route. Maintaining that traffic to Bowen doesn't increase too much, which it probably won't too much, seeing that there's not too much room there for new development unless they start splitting lots.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 31, 2010 17:57:27 GMT -8
Queen of Cumberland seats, anyone? You can buy 25 of these benchs for as little as $20.50 if so desired. (Click on "Browse for Auction Items", and then "Boats and Nautical") www.bcauction.ca/open.dll/welcome
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 31, 2010 20:17:41 GMT -8
I can see some pizza shop buying them as waiting room seats. ;D
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Post by Dane on Oct 31, 2010 20:24:22 GMT -8
It is interesting that a government agency is auctioning for BC Ferries?? Wouldn't one expect to have it go through a private company? Although I suppose ultimately the vessels do still belong to us.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 7, 2010 21:34:24 GMT -8
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 17, 2010 23:30:20 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 19, 2010 21:08:28 GMT -8
Karl has given me permission to post some photos from his Facebook albums. - I've adjusted the contrast & colours a bit, and here are some of his photos relating to this thread: ------------------------------- I like the ship's reflection in the water, in these 2 pictures: ------------------- In-service pictures after her Autumn-2010 refit. - notice the variety of colours in the seating...
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Post by lmtengs on Dec 20, 2010 10:11:53 GMT -8
Oh my, I don't like the blue/tan or the blue/green mix in the seating colours. Not one bit. This must be the first time they've done this, as I've not noticed it on any other ferry yet. I still think it's an improvement on those hard molded-plastic bench seats they had before, though.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 20, 2010 10:25:29 GMT -8
Oh my, I don't like the blue/tan or the blue/green mix in the seating colours. Not one bit. This must be the first time they've done this, as I've not noticed it on any other ferry yet. I still think it's an improvement on those hard molded-plastic bench seats they had before, though. It looks like a pretty standard "Coastalization" setup to me, regarding the blue/tan and blue/green seating mix. Here are a few examples: Island Sky (blue/green seats) Queen of New Westminster (blue/tan seats) Queen of Oak Bay (blue/tan seats and blue/green seats) I think Cumberland's new cabin looks sharp - can't wait to see her in person.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 20, 2010 12:04:14 GMT -8
Queen of Oak Bay (blue/tan seats and blue/green seats) I think that the Queen of Burnaby also has a mix of blue-tan and blue-green in her mid-ship lounge. - I have a Karl picture of that, which I'll post later this week.
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Post by Dane on Dec 20, 2010 14:17:29 GMT -8
Thanks for those shots; was very curious how the interior would turn out.
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Post by mrdot on Dec 20, 2010 15:36:00 GMT -8
:)on the theme of coastalization, I am surprised the present ferry regeme has not seen it's way to eliminate the reference to the old labour town of Cumberland, and rename it to it's crazy renaisance themes! :)mrdot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 20, 2010 15:39:41 GMT -8
:)on the theme of coastalization, I am surprised the present ferry regeme has not seen it's way to eliminate the reference to the old labour town of Cumberland, and rename it to it's crazy renaisance themes! :)mrdot. There was a plaque in the Cumberland (near the snack bar, I think) that commemorated Mr. Ginger Goodwin and the Cumberland BC labour history. I am curious to know if it is still on the ship, post-refit.
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Post by mrdot on Dec 20, 2010 19:04:03 GMT -8
:)you know, if it's gone, it's kinda like grave robbing, or like the rubbing out of part of the display on the wack, or for that matter the artwork that I had on the Q of the North! :)mrdot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 28, 2010 10:02:05 GMT -8
Karl has given me permission to post some photos from his Facebook albums. - I've adjusted the contrast & colours a bit, and here are some of his photos relating to this thread: ------------------------------- 'Cumberland, looking fine on Dec.24th
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Post by Curtis on Dec 28, 2010 15:28:28 GMT -8
I finally got around to uploading Part 3 of my 4 Ferry Tours in a day. Here she is... the Cumberland.
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Post by Dane on Dec 28, 2010 17:16:59 GMT -8
To respond to some of the earlier discussion; if the Queen of Capilano had platform decks installed she would not be able to maintain her schedule. Keep in mind the Island Sky was designed for Bowen, not her current Sunshine Coast position. However until Bowen provides a larger terminal area - which doesn't seem realistic in the foreseeable future, they cannot have a larger vessel. Like was asked earlier, and speculated correctly the Island Sky's fixed gallery decks were a very intentional decision for route 8.
I know on the Queen of Cumberland people hate being loaded on the platforms as is evidence by all the signs explaining why they use them, and how they decide is loaded to a platform. At least they were there pre-refit!
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Post by Neil on Dec 28, 2010 22:48:59 GMT -8
Keep in mind the Island Sky was designed for Bowen, not her current Sunshine Coast position. Are you sure about that? I don't recall reading in any annual report or other company release that the Island Sky was destined for Bowen, but perhaps I missed something. In following the ongoing wars on Bowen over a community plan for Snug Cove, it's hard to believe that BC Ferries would have had any faith that Bowen was going to settle on a marshalling configuration that would allow for a larger ferry. The ability to load passengers on an upper deck may have been a matter of BC Ferries keeping their options open. The Island Sky would have represented a nearly 50% increase in capacity on the route, and while overloads do occur there, that kind of increase is not justified at this time. The official line was that the Island Sky was the replacement for the 'Tsawwassen, which of course meant route seven, and it's a good bet that BC Ferries did want to switch to a double ender on that relatively short route. If the Island Sky had gone to Bowen, it would have meant using the ' Capilano on route seven in the summer, which clearly would not work unless they installed platform decks. I'm not even sure that Bowen Islanders are clear that they want a larger car ferry.
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Post by Dane on Dec 28, 2010 22:59:48 GMT -8
Keep in mind the Island Sky was designed for Bowen, not her current Sunshine Coast position. Are you sure about that? Yes. I will try and post the pertinent info tomorrow. Conceptually the I Sky "existed" for quite some time, as I am sure you're more than aware. The BC Ferries line on vessel replacement is not always clear - in fact is generally "incomplete" information; for example the Northern vessels are referred to as replacing the incorrect former Queens, and as we are about to see the Kuper essentially will allow for the Mill Bay to be replaced, not bringing the spare vessel capacity upwards. Obviously the Coastals had some more clarity in role, but even as we see now the BC Ferries "line" of the time was not totally accurate. The CR seems to have literally replaced the Queen of Esquimalt - hardly ever sailing.... Having been actively involved in two OCP processes I think BC Ferries, five or six years ago, would not have been wrong to have some sense of optimism. The Bowen council of that time seemed more receptive to terminal improvement, and it was the electorite that lead to the end of the most recent attempt at changing road configuration at Snug Cove - OCP processes, and I say this for the sake of the who are unfamiliar, set out the broad development plan (and more recently goals) for a municipality over 15-20 years. The Bowen OCP is extraordinarily dated, and really does not support the ferry service. As they're drafting a new OCP right now - due in Q1 2011 I think, it should be interesting to see where they go. Crews in the I Sky seem to have been perpetually (from day 1 of service to yesterday) concerned they will loose the ship to Bowen, as well. recently this notion seems hard to justify with fact. Initial sea trials also involved some Rte 8 crews.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 28, 2010 23:26:37 GMT -8
So what would service Jervis Inlet then if the Island Sky went to Bowen??
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Post by Dane on Dec 28, 2010 23:29:07 GMT -8
Capilano - having had the RAD issues solved; her originally intended route. Skeena Queen v 2.0 would have actually replaced the Cap, and then that plan got foiled, and as planning moved forward again the enhanced Cap was seen as the next step with a larger capacity. Past growth projections for Rte 8 and the Island itself were more robust, IIRC.
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