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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 21:38:15 GMT -8
Capilano gallery deck info, from Bowen Island Undercurrent article: Fixed galleries mean that loading time is much faster than hoistable platforms. I think this is positive news for Bowen Islanders. The 5:30pm/5:50pm sailing out of Horseshoe Bay overloads almost everyday, so this should mean less time wasted in commuting. Sounds like they have a lot planned for the MLU on the Capilano.
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Post by Neil on Jun 13, 2014 22:22:43 GMT -8
Capilano gallery deck info, from Bowen Island Undercurrent article: Fixed galleries mean that loading time is much faster than hoistable platforms. I think this is positive news for Bowen Islanders. The 5:30pm/5:50pm sailing out of Horseshoe Bay overloads almost everyday, so this should mean less time wasted in commuting. Sounds like they have a lot planned for the MLU on the Capilano. I'm happy for Bowen Island residents, really... but I can't help asking why BC Ferries is determined to lock two other island communities into the same capacity for the next forty years, with a cable newbuild, despite being vastly overloaded at present in the essential summer months. Are there some lobbying abilities Bowenites have that the rest of us peasants could learn from? I mean, seriously... all that money, for twelve extra cars?
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Post by Mike C on Jun 14, 2014 11:57:02 GMT -8
Capilano gallery deck info, from Bowen Island Undercurrent article: Fixed galleries mean that loading time is much faster than hoistable platforms This sounds like a massive undertaking for just a 12-vehicle increase in AEQ. Given that each lane does about 28.3 vehicles (the furthest ones to port/starboard are probably 21), I get the impression that this would be a single-laned one-sided project, meaning that it would have to go in the center of the vessel to balance the load. A lot of speculation here, I know, but 12 vehicles just seems a bit low. BC Ferries should also review the facilities at Snug Cove. They are among the last terminals in the system without a heated waiting room, with only a small bus shelter and a set of washrooms. They say that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Bowen's FAC has a consistent, unified message that gets media attention, and I think that this is the case with this project. I am looking forward to seeing the new Capilano.
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Post by Dane on Jun 14, 2014 19:53:49 GMT -8
I used to have the distinct impression that the lack of facilities at Snug Cove was the "fault" of the municipality? BC Ferries, albeit it several years past now, has stated both a willingness and capability to bring improvements but the changes required in the road and for pedestrians were not being provided by Bowen Island itself.
The politics of Bowen Island and ferries has always struck me as particularly interesting as the Islanders seem to be somewhat more effective lobbyists than other minor route users, but the detest for change also shows to be equally strong. A figurative double bladed sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 20:38:34 GMT -8
I'm happy for Bowen Island residents, really... but I can't help asking why BC Ferries is determined to lock two other island communities into the same capacity for the next forty years, with a cable newbuild, despite being vastly overloaded at present in the essential summer months. Are there some lobbying abilities Bowenites have that the rest of us peasants could learn from? I mean, seriously... all that money, for twelve extra cars? One could argue that this is a last attempt at not moving the Island Sky to route 8. Let's face it; the mighty Cappy is staying there for the rest of her days. I do think that this is a worthwhile investment which will pay for itself quickly. I doubt they'll put only one platform - the vessel would have a constant list on an empty load and steering it would be a whole new ball game. Methinks it will be two gallery decks on the outer sides, with the ramps slightly overhanging off the sides of the ship. Less main deck space lost that way.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 14, 2014 22:03:23 GMT -8
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Post by Mike C on Jun 15, 2014 12:13:11 GMT -8
I used to have the distinct impression that the lack of facilities at Snug Cove was the "fault" of the municipality? BC Ferries, albeit it several years past now, has stated both a willingness and capability to bring improvements but the changes required in the road and for pedestrians were not being provided by Bowen Island itself. The politics of Bowen Island and ferries has always struck me as particularly interesting as the Islanders seem to be somewhat more effective lobbyists than other minor route users, but the detest for change also shows to be equally strong. A figurative double bladed sword. A quick fun-fact: Bowen Island is governed by both it's own municipality (the Municipality of Bowen Island) and the Islands Trust, as well as being a part of Metro Vancouver RD. There are a lot of competing forces in that one sentence. Annexing itself into it's own municipality seemed to be a move indicating that they wanted to grow and develop and to make decisions for themselves, and yet the mandate of the Islands Trust is for conservation and preservation - an inherent contradiction. The business area of Snug Cove would suffer deeply if the ferry is moved to another location, and yet moving seems to be required to gain more capacity for holding space. I don't think there is anything they can really do, besides eliminating street parking for an added lane of traffic, an idea sure to get push-back from businesses.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 17, 2014 21:17:46 GMT -8
Here's my HD Walkthrough of the Queen of Capilano.
Next Time: The Queen of Nanaimo gets the HD Treatment.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 21, 2014 9:51:26 GMT -8
Queen of Capilano sails cautiously by a flotilla of small sailboats on a Saturday morning run from Snug Cove, Bowen Island, to Horseshoe Bay - ~10 AM, 14 June 2014. It was not a very summer-like day; more like November with less than stellar visibility. A cropped version of this image is currently serving as my 'sig' photo. © WCK-JST by Wett Coast, on Flickr
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 8, 2014 7:41:20 GMT -8
Queen of Capilano, see from above Horseshoe Bay on morning of July 7, 2014: I like the shadows in the water -------- ...and later that morning
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 8, 2014 11:51:40 GMT -8
A few more of Queen of Capilano, at Horseshoe Bay - July 7, 2014 ----------- With Queen of Surrey:
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 24, 2014 20:56:35 GMT -8
The last of my "above Horseshoe Bay" series of videos, from the morning of July 7, 2014.
This is Queen of Capilano - multiple appearances
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 20:35:59 GMT -8
Just so everyone knows well ahead of time, the Capilano is being replaced by the Bowen Queen only for her mid life upgrade, beginning in January 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 21:28:19 GMT -8
Various views of the Queen of Capilano, seen by me at Copper Cove today. -Copper Cove is located to the right of Horseshoe Bay, when you are on the water. Interesting cloud formations taking place... MV Queen of Capilano by Howe Sound Ferries, on Flickr Passing directly in front: MV Queen of Capilano by Howe Sound Ferries, on Flickr That's all for Capilano photos here. More photos of her can be seen with the Oak Bay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 17:39:21 GMT -8
Q-Cap in the distance from HSB Q-Cap getting her angle set for berthing Q-Cap arriving at Berth 2 in HSB Q-Cap departing Berth 2 for Snug Cove HSB Village from deparing Q-Cap Q-Cap's Coat of Arms Welcome Aboard! Snug Cove arrival! Snug Cove berth 2 vessels (Q-Surrey at left, Q-Cowichan at right) from Snug Cove on Q-Cap Arriving at Berth 1 in HSB from Snug Cove That's all for now.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 4, 2014 19:15:31 GMT -8
Mr. E State, tell us more about your trip to Bowen Island; details such as when you made the journey, who you were with, stuff like that. Thanks.
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Post by priver on Nov 7, 2014 12:37:16 GMT -8
Is the queen of capilano getting coverted to Lng or dual fuel engines during it's MLU this Jan
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 7, 2014 14:39:00 GMT -8
Is the queen of capilano getting coverted to Lng or dual fuel engines during it's MLU this Jan No. It was originally supposed to happen, but then it got removed from the MLU agenda.
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Post by Neil on Nov 27, 2014 22:00:44 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 27, 2014 22:18:12 GMT -8
It seems to me that they would have been smarter to bring in either of the Island Sky, or Q. Cumberland as the replacement vessel, sending the BQ to replace which ever of those two is brought in. I am thinking that the BQ's capacity is inadequate for this route.
Fixed gallery decks on the Capilano is a good move. The slight increase in loading time should not be an issue on this route, I think?
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Post by Neil on Nov 27, 2014 22:56:48 GMT -8
It seems to me that they would have been smarter to bring in either of the Island Sky, or Q. Cumberland as the replacement vessel, sending the BQ to replace which ever of those two is brought in. I am thinking that the BQ's capacity is inadequate for this route.
Fixed gallery decks on the Capilano is a good move. The slight increase in loading time should not be an issue on this route, I think? 'Fixed' is the key... no raising or lowering. In truth, the crossing time on this route is often sixteen minutes, and with two lane unloading at either end, the added vehicle capacity should not be an issue.
BC Ferries has partnered in enhanced bus service for the duration of the refit, and a Sunday morning sailing that was cut has been reinstated, as well as an additional sailing in early afternoon, on some days. Not as good as bringing in the Island Sky, but better than nothing.
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Post by priver on Nov 28, 2014 1:44:16 GMT -8
I think that Bowen island should just make due with the Bowen queen as a relief boat. The queen of Cumberland needs to be where it is and the island sky also needs to be where it is. I'm tired of ppl always thinking that powell River can always change boats because another community is complaining about only a 15 car reduction in car carrying capacity.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 28, 2014 12:19:02 GMT -8
That should add a nice boost to Capilano's capacity, which I'm sure will be much appreciated by Bowen Islanders. One thing I noticed in the renderings, which, albeit, are a bit crude in terms of detail, is that there appear to be no stairs from the gallery wings to the passenger cabin above, like there is with Island Sky. Probably, there isn't any room to add them, but it does mean people will have to go down to the main car deck, and use the ramps at the ends to walk up to the gallery wings. Still, the additional vehicle space is more than worth that minor inconvenience.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 12, 2014 18:16:41 GMT -8
The Capilano's MLU will be done by Esquimalt Drydock. This will be the Esquimalt company's largest BCF refit project to date. I wonder if this puts them in a good position to have a strong bid on the Spirit ferry MLU work ? From Times Colonist: Here is the company's webpage: EDC here
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 13, 2014 11:44:17 GMT -8
I wonder if BC Ferries plans to do a similar revision to Queen of Cumberland. Cumberland already has hoistable platforms which gives it a capacity of 127 cars, so installing fixed gallery decks would reduce that number by 27 vehicles, but it should significantly decrease loading and unloading times not having to raise and lower those ramps. In the end, that could be worth more than the extra capacity, not to mention eliminating the ongoing costs of maintaining the hoistway for those moveable platforms.
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