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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 19:11:33 GMT -8
No I must disagree that the ferry in the video is the Chinook. I had to look a couple of times but if you look closely at photo submitted by Barnacle and photos of the Kahloke it is most definitely the Kahloke. Take a look at the still photo from the video and then notice the front windows of the Chinook. You will notice that front windows of the ferry in the still photo have more spacing to them than the Chinook does and they are more rectangular (as they were on the Kahloke) as opposed to being more squared like the Chinook. Also the when the Chinook's front doors were open it was "flat in the front" unlike the picture which shows the ferry appearing to be more pointed in the front like the Kahloke.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 3, 2008 19:26:34 GMT -8
 I am revising my position. Based on the gap between the forward windows (narrow on the Chinook, wider on the Kaloke) I now agree that the ferry in the video is the Kaloke. |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Sept 3, 2008 19:31:25 GMT -8
It's definitely the Kahloke. The spacing between the forward windows is larger than the Chinook II and the windows aren't quite as wide as on the Chinook II. Also, the funnel is visible in the video clip (I don't think it would've been possible to see the funnel on the Chinook II from that angle at that time since the funnel wasn't enlargened until after BC Ferries took over Black Ball).
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 9, 2008 10:47:14 GMT -8
The vessel shown at Horseshoe Bay with Prime Minister Diefenbaker was the ChinookII, later to become the Sechelt Queen. I know the vessel because I worked on the damn thing. What a mess BCF made of her after taking her over from Black Ball. But it was a very interesting ship with it's red cement decks in the officer's quarters and the circular dining room on the upper deck. The crew messroom was located on the prom deck inside a gutted out section of former staterooms that were in service on the Chinook II.
The Sechelt Queen was on Rte 2 and was eventually replaced by the Queens of Nanaimo, Burnaby, and New Westminster when those ships were brand new.
The other ship on Rte 2 along with the Sechelt Queen, was for a brief time the Queen of Sydney, which while a new ship then and certainly much more passenger friendly than the Sechelt Queen, held little of the mystique and old world charm of the Sechelt Queen.
At least with the advent of the new BCF ships, I didn't have to polish those damn red cement decks with one of those old cast iron rotating polishing machines any more. I hope that polisher went to the scrap yard along with the S.Q.
....just a bit if history there folks.
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 9, 2008 13:33:18 GMT -8
The vessel shown at Horseshoe Bay with Prime Minister Diefenbaker was the ChinookII, later to become the Sechelt Queen. I know the vessel because I worked on the d*** thing. Asked and answered... already discussed the possibility of the Chinook II, and it is quite visually apparent that the vessel in the berth is not Chinook... If nothing else, this can be made a veritable certainty by observing both the shape and spacing of the windows on the forward end of the ship, as well as the narrow linear overhanging lip of the upper deck across the cardeck opening which was very much wider on the Chinook II. Also curious to know exactly how BCFerries messed up the Chinook after taking over the route. |
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 10, 2008 9:03:33 GMT -8
Note to Mill Bay: I can't offer any more reassurance of the identity of the ship in the video, guess my time spent on the old girl was just a dream.
How BCF messed up a ship like the Chinook was that in the very early days of BCF they were dealing with the first 2 new vessels and a few old pots they inherited from Black Ball and whoever, and really didn't have a clue as to the kind of 'asthetics' they needed long term.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 10, 2008 10:24:01 GMT -8
Note to Mill Bay: I can't offer any more reassurance of the identity of the ship in the video, guess my time spent on the old girl was just a dream. ....well, you could comment on the windows-issue, in comparing the forward-lounge windows of Kahloke to Chinook II. That seems to have been the key point in distinguishing the 2 ships re this particular bow-view. And because of your years working on the Chinook II, you'd be a good position to offer some comments to the window-comparison discussion. ......And I agree, working on the Chinook II would be a dream-job; I envy you for that experience and the memories. (yeah, I know that the dream comment was meant as a discussion-killer....but I don't give up that easily  . I really am interested in your window comparison. Cheers. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 10, 2008 22:57:50 GMT -8
One more thought... just for visual reference: a comparison of the two ships in question. In particular: their bows. Note the Chinook's bow structure and the broad, blunt cross-member right above the cardeck opening, which is not apparent in the video capture.  |
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 11, 2008 0:54:19 GMT -8
One or another vessel, A tendancy towards veneration and acceptance of our elders' notions about their own experiences before harshly judging or not, I'm thankful for having a former crew member of about any historic and former vessel of our fleet Thanks for still trying to gain acceptance amongst our fickle bunch, Starsteward. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 18, 2009 11:47:41 GMT -8
Here's a photo that I've finally been able to scan. It's from some things my Mom found among my late Uncle's stuff, after he passed away. He used to work at scout-camps somewhere near Squamish (in the era when this ferry ran in pastel-blue), and so he likely stopped on Hwy-99 to take this picture on his way to or from scout camp. There were scout-camp pictures included in the pack of pictures where this pic was found.... My Mom showed me this pic a few months ago, and she told me she didn't think it was a BC Ferry. After I took a few deep breaths, I explained the historical significance of the picture that she had, and begged he to let me keep the picture. To be honest, I haven't yet figured out if this is the Sechelt Queen or the Langdale Queen. Silly, I know, as all I need to do is to compare to some other existing photos on this forum or on www.evergreenfleet.com. I'll let you guys decide which ship this is, for sure. But her tapered stern-decks suggest to me that she's the Sechelt Queen.   Photo is courtesy of my late Uncle Ed. |
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Post by Curtis on Jul 18, 2009 12:04:50 GMT -8
It's the Langdale Queen. Notice the raised hull, the two tall masts, and the mid-section of the main passenger deck. The bow doors and funnel are the hard giveaways but I'm sure it is the Langdale Queen if you compare photos of her on Evergreenfleet.com there are some dead giveaways. The space between the bow and the passenger deck structure is bigger on the Langdale Queen. Plus depending on the year this was taken, the Sechelt Queen might not have had her tall smokestack it was added sometime during her stint with BCFS. The Langdale Queen's smokestack remained unchanged during her BCF stint.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 18, 2009 12:42:21 GMT -8
Definitely the Langdale Queen. The two masts are what caught my eye. Sechelt Queen just had one mast above the wheelhouse. Besides, the Langdale Queens masts look like sticks. Also, the awkward looking bow is evident too.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 18, 2009 17:15:19 GMT -8
Thanks guys for identifying the ship. Member E-Fleet sent me this message to help to differentiate the 2 ships:
I compared the lifeboat setups:
- Kahloke style has the boats hanging almost over the water.
- Chinook style has the boats hanging over the boat deck.
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 18, 2009 22:01:04 GMT -8
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 20, 2009 19:25:11 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 14, 2009 18:52:48 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 15, 2009 19:02:36 GMT -8
Here's a photo that I've finally been able to scan.
It's from some things my Mom found among my late Uncle's stuff, after he passed away. He used to work at scout-camps somewhere near Squamish (in the era when this ferry ran in pastel-blue), and so he likely stopped on Hwy-99 to take this picture on his way to or from scout camp. There were scout-camp pictures included in the pack of pictures where this pic was found....
My Mom showed me this pic a few months ago, and she told me she didn't think it was a BC Ferry. After I took a few deep breaths, I explained the historical significance of the picture that she had, and begged he to let me keep the picture. Photo is courtesy of my late Uncle Ed. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 15, 2009 19:21:39 GMT -8
Here's something that I think is 1975, near Horseshoe Bay:
On board the Queen of Surrey:
Hey, there's another ferry over there: |
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Post by shipyard on Apr 6, 2010 20:50:44 GMT -8
The April '10 edition of Westcoast Mariner has an interesting article on the refloating of the Langdale Queen in March '09, complete with pictures.
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Post by Neil on Apr 8, 2010 12:33:15 GMT -8
The April '10 edition of Westcoast Mariner has an interesting article on the refloating of the Langdale Queen in March '09, complete with pictures. Who knew that the old girl- or at least her hull- was still here, right under our noses? The article from April's Western Mariner, posted with permission. www.eagleharbour.com/magazine/subscribe.html     |
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Post by EGfleet on Apr 8, 2010 14:39:00 GMT -8
The April '10 edition of Westcoast Mariner has an interesting article on the refloating of the Langdale Queen in March '09, complete with pictures. Who knew that the old girl- or at least her hull- was still here, right under our noses? The article from April's Western Mariner, posted with permission. www.eagleharbour.com/magazine/subscribe.htmlInteresting to note they pulled the photos off my website for their history section. I recognize the last photo in particular because I did the color work on it myself. The original is a black and white photo. Looks like I need to revise that last bit of history I have on her and mentally curse the source who assured me the hull had been scrapped.  |
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 9, 2010 8:04:29 GMT -8
Huh. Some old ferries just never die, I guess.
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 9, 2010 16:52:09 GMT -8
Huh. Some old ferries just never die, I guess. Ha-ha. Now, are they really, really sure that this hull is actually the old Langdale Queen, and not some imposter? I'm surprised that after all that time as a de-engined barge, that the propellers are still in place. I never knew that there were two, either. I always believed she had only one, although that would make sense seeing as she had four diesel engines. Four engines powering one propeller would have been a bit of overkill. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 18:35:24 GMT -8
What a interesting article. It's neat to know she's still around after all these years. Thank you for posting it.
BTW... I believe I read in a Seachest magazine article that the Langdale Queen had twin propellers. I also think that the Sechelt Queen did as well but I could be incorrect.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 9, 2010 21:04:17 GMT -8
Looking closely at a photograph of the Chinook/Sechelt Queen's pilothouse, with telegraph in the corner, indicates that the telegraph appears to be a twin-screw model.
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. I really am interested in your window comparison.
