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Post by EGfleet on Apr 10, 2010 7:22:50 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 10:04:15 GMT -8
Could this photo of a barge be of the Langedale Queen's hull? The photo is from late October 2008 on the Fraser River.  |
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 12, 2010 10:30:37 GMT -8
I guess I get to evaluate this one first, seeing as EGF isn't online right now, so I'm the next best thing to an expert on the historical Langdale Queen.
That could undoubtedly be the Langdale Queen, and I can tell because of the shape and slope of what used to be the bow which is to the right in this photo. That was a very distinctive feature of her hull, you can compare it to any photo of the ship, even my current signature pick will give you an idea.
I just have one other question, now: a couple years ago, Chris had posted about a ferry-like barge appearing in Howe Sound that could have been Langdale Queen. I'm just curious is this is that same barge that was in Howe Sound back then.
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Post by EGfleet on Apr 12, 2010 11:14:41 GMT -8
I guess I get to evaluate this one first, seeing as EGF isn't online right now, so I'm the next best thing to an expert on the historical Langdale Queen. That could undoubtedly be the Langdale Queen, and I can tell because of the shape and slope of what used to be the bow which is to the right in this photo. That was a very distinctive feature of her hull, you can compare it to any photo of the ship, even my current signature pick will give you an idea. I just have one other question, now: a couple years ago, Chris had posted about a ferry-like barge appearing in Howe Sound that could have been Langdale Queen. I'm just curious is this is that same barge that was in Howe Sound back then. I would agree the barge in those photos is indeed the Langdale. (All the while grumbling at my source who assured me the hull had been cut up.) And to further support it, the street view of Google Earth at the coordinates listed in the article show this on the river, which appears to be the salvage operation in full swing. It would have been nice if that article would have said what happened to the barge after it had been raised...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 12:26:00 GMT -8
A photo of the hull before the sinking Attachments:
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 12, 2010 14:15:27 GMT -8
A photo of the hull before the sinking That one is really clearly identifiable simply from the profile of the deck line. What`s the date on that photo? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 14:33:19 GMT -8
A photo of the hull before the sinking That one is really clearly identifiable simply from the profile of the deck line. What`s the date on that photo? Around Oct 27 or Oct 28 2008. I'm not sure the exact date. |
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Post by Ferryman on Apr 12, 2010 15:34:09 GMT -8
I just have one other question, now: a couple years ago, Chris had posted about a ferry-like barge appearing in Howe Sound that could have been Langdale Queen. I'm just curious is this is that same barge that was in Howe Sound back then. Just for the sake of adding to discussion, here's the pics of that barge you mentioned. The datestamp on the photos are accurate.   |
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 12, 2010 22:06:41 GMT -8
Yeah, i remember those photos, but I'm having the same problem as before. Too much of the areas on the hull that would be key identifying factors for the Langdale Queen are obscured in those ones, so it's keeping me guessing. After all, no one really knows what happened to the Sechelt Queen, and whether her hull is still floating around out there somewhere, too.
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Post by Neil on Apr 14, 2010 13:14:07 GMT -8
Here's two more from the same thread that show the shape of the deck on that barge a little more clearly... Look at the corner section of the hull right next to the wing-wall in these photos, and you can be reasonably certain that it really was the Langdale Queen: I'm not sure about that. The perspective might be deceiving, but it looks to me that the vessel with the excavator on it isn't long enough relative to its width to be the Langdale Queen. Hard to say. It did make me wonder whether a poor old hulk like the one on the Fraser can properly still be called the Langdale Queen. I suppose you have to consider what the essence of a ship is. If you were to take the superstructure off the Langdale Queen and place it on shore, you couldn't really call it the Langdale Queen, because, after all, what makes a ship a ship and not a land structure is the part that floats in water- the hull. So, I suppose that even though she's been completely defrocked and apparently even had her belly filled with gravel for ballast, she's still the Langdale Queen... although the 'she' part does seem somewhat ridiculous. I imagine there is no access below deck- it would be nice to see if there is anything at all left from her machinery. Last week, I drove and walked along the stretch of River Road where she was raised, but I didn't see anything. I'm trying to contact the chap from the company that raised her, and if I locate her, I'll post some shots. Perhaps someone else will spot her in the meantime. |
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Post by FNS on Apr 14, 2010 19:59:10 GMT -8
After reading and looking at photos on this thread, I did some GoogleEarth-ing this evening. I came upon this object that has a shape of what the Main Deck of the LANGDALE QUEEN would have looked like. Here are three scenes from GE:  Here is what should be the shape of the Main Deck aboard the LANGDALE QUEEN.  We zoom out to see the surrounding area.  We zoom out ever further to see Delta and Salmonbellies city. Don't know when these photos were taken, though. |
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Post by lmtengs on Apr 14, 2010 20:39:04 GMT -8
Don't know when these photos were taken, though. August 5th 2008. |
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 15, 2010 5:52:06 GMT -8
FerryNutSeattle's photos have a much better shot at being the Langdale Queen than the photos suggested by Ferryman and Mill Bay. That barge only looks to be about four excavators long; the Langdale is about seven fully extended excavators long.
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Post by fargowolf on Apr 15, 2010 6:49:31 GMT -8
FerryNutSeattle's photos have a much better shot at being the Langdale Queen than the photos suggested by Ferryman and Mill Bay. That barge only looks to be about four excavators long; the Langdale is about seven fully extended excavators long. The pics provided by Ferryman are of a former ferry, but it is not the Langdale Queen since it's too short as Barnacle pointed out. The Google Earth pics provided by Ferrynutseattle, are more convincing, especially given that the dimensions do appear to be correct for the Langdale Queen. In fact if one were to look closely at the first Google Earth pic, you can see what appears to be a lighter shade of grey, where vehicles would have been parked and and the rust colored area at either end where the ramp would have come in contact with the deck. |
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Post by EGfleet on Apr 29, 2010 16:05:07 GMT -8
Lawsuit of the week
Thursday, 18 February 2010, Business in Vancouver.com
Insurance firm sued over costs to retrieve sunken ship
Delta Tug & Barge Ltd. is suing AXA Pacific Insurance Co. for indemnity from costs and expenses related to the removal of its vessel, the Langdale Queen, from the riverbed after it sunk in the Fraser River around December 24, 2008.
According to court documents filed December 15 in B.C. Supreme Court, Delta Tug & Barge is seeking indemnity for the costs and expenses arising from its obligations and liability to Port Metro Vancouver following the sinking of the vessel and issuance of a removal order by the port authority.
A statement of defence had not been filed by press time.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 28, 2010 21:37:46 GMT -8
From a forum archived post done in 2006 by member Retro: - from Beautiful BC magazine. - the original thread has comments on how the ship was identified on the magazine as the Sechelt Queen, but how it's really the Langdale Queen =============== Horseshoe Bay and Nanaimo photos...1972 Issue:Langdale Queen at berth 1 and an unstretched B-Class vessel leaving Horseshoe Bay terminal    |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 5, 2010 19:41:13 GMT -8
More historical additions from the 1970's & 80's courtesy of my brother, Mr. DOT, and his camera...  Langdale Queen in Howe Sound ~1975 |
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Post by mrdot on Jan 14, 2011 21:19:34 GMT -8
 :)just plugged into this wc forum group of pics. courtesy of EG fleet, and wow is the langdale queen / kahloke ever a joy to look at and how bout those sheer lines, shure don't have those curves on the new beasts of the north! The other pics are neat as well, the old Chippewa at Annacortes, brings back memories of our family trip from Sidney over 50 years ago! :)mrdot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 16, 2011 17:02:27 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 23, 2011 17:34:56 GMT -8
Photo of Kahloke displayed at Nanaimo Museum:  Black Ball schedule: - The June 27th date on this means that this is the 1953 inaugral schedule advertisement. (read EG Fleet's post, a few before this post) - MV Chinook II isn't listed, because she's still working in Victoria, I presume.  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 20, 2011 7:54:29 GMT -8
A Black Ball poster at the Bowen Island Museum's summer-2011 exhibit.  close-up of the words:  |
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Post by mrdot on Aug 20, 2011 10:02:27 GMT -8
:)love those old black ball posters, it was run as a real pvte. enterprise outfit, not anything like this empire that hahn is setting up, from the ashes of the dogwood fleet that wacy Bennet established, but was run closer to the Black Ball model than this joke of a sudo-pvte concern! Before I get the anticipated feedback, I know these are different times! :)mrdot.
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Post by chinook2 on Aug 27, 2011 18:07:44 GMT -8
That is the Langdale Queen and and an unstretched Victoria Class Vessel. The B class was not built. Just happened. Langdale Queen at berth 1 and an unstretched B-Class vessel leaving Horseshoe Bay terminal [/quote] |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 22, 2011 15:55:51 GMT -8
A neat little bit of history here...  That is a nice bit of history there Mr EGF. Thanks for sharing. |
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Post by mrdot on Oct 22, 2011 19:17:38 GMT -8
:)well what a post by E G fleet, this to my mind was one of the most interesting rebuilds done by our once very skilled BC shipyards and the transformation of this elderly veteren was majical. the completed Kalokie gave the impression of a new build! :)mrdot.
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:)just plugged into this wc forum group of pics. courtesy of EG fleet, and wow is the langdale queen / kahloke ever a joy to look at and how bout those sheer lines, shure don't have those curves on the new beasts of the north! The other pics are neat as well, the old Chippewa at Annacortes, brings back memories of our family trip from Sidney over 50 years ago! :)mrdot.
