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Post by Curtis on Mar 29, 2016 20:21:33 GMT -8
What I take from this first piece of Salish artwork is that it certainly wasn't what I expected, but it could have been a whole lot worse than what we got. Overall, I'm a little bit mixed by it, on one hand, it makes me think of Moby Lines and their 'Looney Tunes' adorned fleet. On the other hand though, it adds a very unique look to the latest vessel in the fleet and adds to the array of native artwork you can find throughout our coast. With more time, I'm sure it'll grow on me just like the Coastal's Olympic wraps before it. Speaking of the Coastals, I do wonder if this artwork will be painted on the sides or if it'll be another 3M wrap. (I'm guessing the latter) Continuing on the Coastal thought, the Coastal funnel cut-out we see in this rendering is a very odd choice. I think it could have worked better had it been done different, but the way it is shown just looks out of place. On another note, taking another look at the artwork, it appears the Orca will be the first BC Ferries vessel in 30 years to carry a certain shade of blue.
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Post by Neil on Mar 29, 2016 21:46:33 GMT -8
I think it looks good, and I'm looking forward to the artwork on the next two vessels. It's not as if these utilitarian ferries are masterpieces of ship design, with their graceful lines needing to be free of any visual confusion. I think the travelling public will react well to the look, at least. My other criticisms of the vessel design I'll leave aside for now.
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Post by FNS on Mar 30, 2016 0:14:43 GMT -8
BCF just tweeted the winning artwork for the Salish Orca's hull scheme: Edit: Here's the digital: It's a good design. The nose of the whales at the other end should point to the direction of travel at that end since these are double-enders and will travel in either direction. I don't think whales go backwards, I may be wrong. Just ask a frogman. As for the blue visor atop the wheelhouse, it should be white. The green visors on WSF vessels here collect a lot of seagull droppings and the crew have to work continuously to clean the mess off with a hose and sprayer. I've seen a deckhand do this aboard a KDT at Port Townsend once. The mess goes right down to the decks below. Yuck.
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Post by Starsteward on Mar 31, 2016 6:53:12 GMT -8
The artwork selected for the new Salish class vessels is very palatable. As the vessels are double-enders, consideration should have been given to have a set of whales pointing in the direction of bow- one and one in the direction of bow-2. Would it have been a huge stretch to have some creative jaw-opening artwork affixed to the visor doors that raise up when the vessel is loading, given the appearance of vessels being swallowed up when loading and spit out when unloading?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 1, 2016 6:07:49 GMT -8
I feel that the Salish artwork should have been more similar to what was on the Queen of Richmond. Rust and gull poop, shrouded by foggy mystery.
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Post by FNS on May 7, 2016 23:49:02 GMT -8
Google Earth has an updated image of Gdansk Poland. We now see the new ferries being built for BCF. Here's most likely the MV SALISH ORCA with one of the bow visors installed. We see in this view at least two of the new ferries. We zoom out to see more of Gdansk's waterways. Same. Same. A more wider view of the area. To the west is Germany and to the east is Poland. Those routing plots you see are what I've downloaded from a message sent to me during sea trials of one of FSG's ferries destined to BC. It's not too much longer from now until we see the SALISH ORCA begins her voyage to BC.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 2, 2016 9:44:02 GMT -8
After many months of no news on the latter two Salish class vessels we finally have some news! Big news for both actually, today was the Christening Ceremony for both the Salish Eagle and the Salish Raven. Here is a link to a Polish News site which I've put through Google Translate: LinkHere's a second link with pictures of the ceremony: Link 2
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 10:41:56 GMT -8
And the BCF news release with photos - www.bcferries.com/bcferries/faces/attachments?id=962452Looks like the Orca is indeed late. She is now slated to arrive in BC by the end of the year. Originally she was supposed to arrive in August. I guess that means 5-6 more months of saying goodbye to the Queen of Burnaby. Hopefully her problematic shaft seal holds until then.
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Post by bcrefugee on Jun 12, 2016 11:35:24 GMT -8
Here is a video of the christening of the latter two Salish vessels. You can also see a near complete Salish Orca.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 12, 2016 13:59:14 GMT -8
Here is a video of the christening of the latter two Salish vessels. You can also see a near complete Salish Orca. Thanks very much for this, and welcome here.
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Post by Dane on Jun 12, 2016 15:18:53 GMT -8
While I was reflecting in some of life's most important questions today I started to wonder, will these ships have White Spot-esque menus like the mainline routes or the current "old school" food from the single level B class? Hopefully it isn't like the Island Sky's microwave your own adventure food.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 12, 2016 15:31:14 GMT -8
While I was reflecting in some of life's most important questions today I started to wonder, will these ships have White Spot-esque menus like the mainline routes or the current "old school" food from the single level B class? Hopefully it isn't like the Island Sky's microwave your own adventure food. Has something changed on this, or is the plan still what we've discussed all along: that the 'Orca gets no galley, and the Eagle/Raven probably get something more like a galley?
I'm thinking you missed that earlier design news. This makes your question sad for all of us, because it's a reminder that the answer was and still likely is "no" to both options.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jun 12, 2016 16:23:35 GMT -8
I've been studying the deck plans quite extensively, and it looks to me like the ships will be equipped with a full kitchen behind the serving area. This leads me to believe that there will in fact be food service comparable to what is offered currently on the B's.
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 12, 2016 18:20:18 GMT -8
While I was reflecting in some of life's most important questions today I started to wonder, will these ships have White Spot-esque menus like the mainline routes or the current "old school" food from the single level B class? Hopefully it isn't like the Island Sky's microwave your own adventure food. Has something changed on this, or is the plan still what we've discussed all along: that the 'Orca gets no galley, and the Eagle/Raven probably get something more like a galley? I'm thinking you missed that earlier design news. This makes your question sad for all of us, because it's a reminder that the answer was and still likely is "no" to both options. I had assumed that when they made the modifications to build 3 equivalent vessels and increased the interior space from the initial proposals, that all three would receive something resembling a galley.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 12, 2016 18:40:10 GMT -8
Has something changed on this, or is the plan still what we've discussed all along: that the 'Orca gets no galley, and the Eagle/Raven probably get something more like a galley? I'm thinking you missed that earlier design news. This makes your question sad for all of us, because it's a reminder that the answer was and still likely is "no" to both options. I had assumed that when they made the modifications to build 3 equivalent vessels and increased the interior space from the initial proposals, that all three would receive something resembling a galley. Right. I forgot about that part. oops.
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Post by Curtis on Jun 12, 2016 20:49:09 GMT -8
From what I understand, all 3 vessels will be equipped with full galleys. The only one we know for sure will see full year-round usage is the Eagle's. The Raven's will likely be in full use while serving route 9/9a and will probably see limited use on other routes. The Orca's is a big question mark though. BC Ferries has stated previously that galley service as it is now on route 17 is not profitable so it's very likely that food service will be limited unless that stance has changed. Whatever the case, I personally hope the food options of the limited galley will be a step up from what we've been getting on the Island Sky.
I imagine whether the Salish trio run with a full galley or not comes down to what the minimum crew complement will be. For comparison: the Island Sky carries 450 passengers with 12 crew on a single license while the Burnaby and Nanaimo carry 18 and 19 crew on their smallest licenses with passenger counts equal or less than the Sky (and full galley service). I'd presume the Salish Class with their similar look and size to the Island Sky and a passenger count set at 600 will have a crew count somewhere between 14 and 18. If they will have a limited galley on route 17 (or another route), I imagine they will require a B or even a C license.
Now that I think about it, this sounds similar to closing off deck 5 on the Coastals... Now I wonder if the garage deck could be closed off if a Salish vessel ran a route where the primary vessel's capacity is smaller than say 100 vehicles? Another thought for another day I suppose.
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Post by Dane on Jun 12, 2016 21:01:08 GMT -8
Three comments:
1 - on the submissions for the vessels to the Commission, and in some random other things I have read from BCFS the crew has been pegged 16-18 depending on the source. For obvious reasons BC Ferries always uses the maximum "A" license crew sizes when making general statements. The deck design also suggests that portions of the seating area and exterior decks could be closed off without difficulty if that were to come into play for licensing purposes; 2 - while I am ignorant of vessel operations I would assume this leaves a few free bodies to make us BC Burgers with Yam Fries or Chicken Strips, Caesar Salad, Honey Mustard sauce; however 3 - I believe, and it has been a couple years since I actively looked it up, that the two primary routes for these vessels are the only two routes where food services are giant profit makers for BCFS, and there has been losses running full cafeterias.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 8, 2016 19:40:28 GMT -8
From the July 14, 2016 edition of Island Tides, written by Brian Hollingshead:
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Post by Neil on Jul 8, 2016 22:19:50 GMT -8
From the July 14, 2016 edition of Island Tides, written by Brian Hollingshead: I think Brian Hollingshead is being very optimistic. I can think of two other things that Gulf Islanders will need to get used to; one, the fact that vehicle capacity drops from 190 to 145 for the times of the year that one Salish vessel is on the route, and two, the inadequate passenger lounge, with far fewer seats than the number of passengers the vessels are licensed to carry. The drive downstairs will not be an issue, in comparison.
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Post by Dane on Jul 14, 2016 21:00:26 GMT -8
While the gross passenger capacity as we have discussed frequently is low comparing the Nanaimo to its replacement, tonight while looking up something else I saw there are 485 interior passenger deck seats. With an expected capacity for 585 passengers on an A license that's 100 people without seats. While I admittedly have little idea how many seats are on most ships, that 80%+ seating ratio must be among the best in the Southern fleet. It's surely lower on the Island Sky, Cap / Cumb, and I'd guess the Nanaimo too (again not speaking raw capacity here). I'm curious to see, as well, what the real world capacity for vehicles on a Salish will look like compared to a Burnaby class. I'm cautiously optimistic their 145 AEQ will be more positively utilized with today's vehicles.
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Post by Neil on Jul 14, 2016 22:18:25 GMT -8
While the gross passenger capacity as we have discussed frequently is low comparing the Nanaimo to its replacement, tonight while looking up something else I saw there are 485 interior passenger deck seats. With an expected capacity for 585 passengers on an A license that's 100 people without seats. While I admittedly have little idea how many seats are on most ships, that 80%+ seating ratio must be among the best in the Southern fleet. It's surely lower on the Island Sky, Cap / Cumb, and I'd guess the Nanaimo too (again not speaking raw capacity here). I'm curious to see, as well, what the real world capacity for vehicles on a Salish will look like compared to a Burnaby class. I'm cautiously optimistic their 145 AEQ will be more positively utilized with today's vehicles. Dane, where did you find the info regarding seating? I've been looking for that... I thought it was less than 485. I think the capacity of less than 600 is going to produce problems on many busy weekends, with people left behind- particularly in the off season, with one vessel in service. I wish I could share your 'cautious optimism' about the vehicle capacity, but I just don't see the basis for it. It's a drop of 45. With regard to 'today's vehicles', what I'm noticing here on Hornby is that in summer, you get more large vehicles coming over, as families arrive with bikes, kayaks, and what have you. Seasonal resort destinations for families- which the Gulf islands are- probably cause stated ferry capacities to be overly optimistic.
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Post by Dane on Jul 18, 2016 15:59:25 GMT -8
Seating number is from a SGI Schedule Consultation story board from the second phase.
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Post by FNS on Jul 23, 2016 22:13:21 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Jul 24, 2016 4:56:56 GMT -8
WOW!,! That's quite the propulsion/steering system, and I mean WOW with a sense of disbelief. So this double-sided 3 blade egg beater is supposed to perform (better)? than any design BC Ferries has used in the past??? Maybe I got up a waaay too early today and just haven't dialed in to all the super features that this little creation is supposed to deliver, so I may stand corrected. Good grief, it wouldn't be the first time my brain stalled out, failing to see what surely must be a revolutionary design and a promise of improved performance on the various bodies of water this new creation is scheduled to serve....for many years. To this totally unqualified marine engineer, the design looks CHEAP!, I truly hope for the sake of the travelling public and crews that this design's performance makes me eat my words.
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Post by hwy19man on Aug 2, 2016 18:35:36 GMT -8
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