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Post by WettCoast on Oct 10, 2017 12:28:06 GMT -8
After all BC Ferries would want to promote their brand not NEL. Think of the how many people do see the vessel when comming home. Virtually no one in Greece, the Canary Islands or Panama will look at the 'branding' on this vessel and figure out who owns the vessel, where it will operate, & decide to book a trip on it. |
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Post by Dane on Oct 10, 2017 14:59:39 GMT -8
Purchase contracts also pretty much universally require an asset be transitioned out of any recognizable vestige of the previous owner.... I don't think this is some conspiracy of information, seems like due diligence.
The last time BC Ferries took delivery of a vessel not in their livery, barring the Kuper which was chopped up, would have been the Queen of Surrey (North) I believe. Chilliwack, NorAd, new builds, all came painted.
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Post by mybidness459 on Oct 14, 2017 14:35:48 GMT -8
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Post by mybidness459 on Oct 14, 2017 14:44:47 GMT -8
After all BC Ferries would want to promote their brand not NEL. Think of the how many people do see the vessel when comming home. Virtually no one in Greece, the Canary Islands or Panama will look at the 'branding' on this vessel and figure out who owns the vessel, where it will operate, & decide to book a trip on it. Just like I would never ride on the Coastal class ships Just Because of their Olympic deco Right? |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 14, 2017 15:05:24 GMT -8
Just like I would never ride on the Coastal class ships Just Because of their Olympic deco Right? I have no idea what you mean & how it relates to what I wrote? |
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Post by mybidness459 on Oct 14, 2017 16:47:07 GMT -8
What I mean is that I do not ride on the Coastal class vessels or would "come" to Canada because of the Olympic ads which is in part what is being promoted on the ships.
I would come to Canada and do ride the ships because I like the fact that I am sailing on the Largest double ended vessel in the world, the ship as a ship fan sells it self when I am able to choose when and what vessel to travel on and in addition the Scenery plays apart of it too. I have never looked at the Olympic decal on the Renaissance and made my decision based on that.
However, you may be right and most people who will see the NSW will not care who owns the ship, or where it's going, but some very few might recognize the BC Ferries brand and just might be curious enough to look up BC ferries on the net, or whatever.
You can't win a lottery without first buying a ticket, and you MIGHT win, however small the chances,
However small the chances, the fact is that with BC ferries livery it is "promoting" BC ferries and some one might,just might see her and remember the experience they had in BC , that's all
Cheers
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Post by yvr on Oct 15, 2017 13:03:52 GMT -8
According to BCF press releases the No. Sea Wolf was delivered to BC Ferries on August 30th. Prior to delivery the hull would have been inspected with video equipment, either with a robot or divers, any damage would have entered into the final negotiated price. So yes it's a good idea to dry dock and check her hull over, but it would too late for any compensation, that should have happened before purchase. As for painting above the waterline, BCF was again giving the cold shoulder to the Deas Dock staff / shipyard workers in B.C. The Seajets logo on the hull, and the ships name could be painted out from the dock with a couple of gallons of paint. So other than weather, BCF is just showing their true colours - they don't care about the local industry. If the names had been painted out on September 1st, and preparations to sail made, she could have been in B.C. by now.
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Post by Kahn_C on Oct 15, 2017 15:07:41 GMT -8
Based on the recent photos, at the very least she's had some rubbing strakes added since her ownership change. I'm sure there'll be plenty of work done to her once she gets to BC, but it does look like her transit delay isn't just for a quick paint make-over.
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Post by Dane on Oct 15, 2017 15:56:21 GMT -8
As for painting above the waterline, BCF was again giving the cold shoulder to the Deas Dock staff / shipyard workers in B.C. The Seajets logo on the hull, and the ships name could be painted out from the dock with a couple of gallons of paint. So other than weather, BCF is just showing their true colours - they don't care about the local industry. If the names had been painted out on September 1st, and preparations to sail made, she could have been in B.C. by now. While BC Ferries could do what you describe it wouldn't be industry norm. This is a made up problem - all but one of BC Ferries international arrivals came in BC Ferries colours of the time. |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 15, 2017 16:52:07 GMT -8
While BC Ferries could do what you describe it wouldn't be industry norm. This is a made up problem - all but one of BC Ferries international arrivals came in BC Ferries colours of the time. Dane, do have documentation or photos that show the Wack arriving in BC already in BC Ferry livery? Unless you do, I would think it more likely that she did not get her BC Ferry colours until after she got here. There were other vessels too, such as what became the SCQ, and the HSQ.  |
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Post by Dane on Oct 15, 2017 18:36:57 GMT -8
I do... I'm not sure how inclined I am too go digging for a point minutia. HSQ wasn't international.
Honestly this is such a silly issue...
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Post by Mike on Oct 15, 2017 18:47:04 GMT -8
Honestly this is such a silly issue... This whole debate seems better suited to the comments section of a Dear BC Ferries post... |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 15, 2017 18:59:13 GMT -8
This whole debate seems better suited to the comments section of a Dear BC Ferries post... To suggest that commentary on this forum is comparable to 'Dear BC Ferries' is a bit of an insult. Respectful debate is good. This forum is best when it is more than just nice photos. |
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Post by Mike on Oct 15, 2017 19:31:24 GMT -8
This whole debate seems better suited to the comments section of a Dear BC Ferries post... To suggest that commentary on this forum is comparable to 'Dear BC Ferries' is a bit of an insult. Respectful debate is good. This forum is best when it is more than just nice photos. Forgive me if I don't see the point of this debate. They drydocked and painted the Northern Adventure before bringing it to our coast, and nobody had an issue with that, so why now? |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 15, 2017 20:19:07 GMT -8
Where the painting of the ship took place is not really the big issue. BC Ferries has had in its history 4 ships purchased second hand from overseas, plus two others that came from Quebec. The most recent two, purchased by the 'new' BC Ferries, were painted overseas prior to delivery. The earlier ships were mostly painted here. Dane says that he has photos/documentation with regard to the Basto. I wouldn't mind seeing that.
The real issue is the systematic way that the new (post 2003) BC Ferries has gone out of its way to have work done - both new builds & repair/upgrades - overseas. The standard answer is "our yards don't have the capacity", and that may be true, but just how did our capacity to build & maintain ships whither to the extent that it has? Today, we can't build even little vessels here and larger upgrades are now being sent overseas. Where we paint a vessel is not in & of itself a big deal, just a piece of a much bigger issue.
And talking about it on this forum ought to be okay.
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Post by Mayne on Oct 15, 2017 21:11:05 GMT -8
Where the painting of the ship took place is not really the big issue. BC Ferries has had in its history 4 ships purchased second hand from overseas, plus two others that came from Quebec. The most recent two, purchased by the 'new' BC Ferries, were painted overseas prior to delivery. The earlier ships were mostly painted here. Dane says that he has photos/documentation with regard to the Basto. I wouldn't mind seeing that. The real issue is the systematic way that the new (post 2003) BC Ferries has gone out of its way to have work done - both new builds & repair/upgrades - overseas. The standard answer is "our yards don't have the capacity", and that may be true, but just how did our capacity to build & maintain ships whither to the extent that it has? Today, we can't build even little vessels here and larger upgrades are now being sent overseas. Where we paint a vessel is not in & of itself a big deal, just a piece of a much bigger issue. And talking about it on this forum ought to be okay. And if our new Greek ferry is as good as our other previously enjoyed greek boat I think or yards will get more then enough work |
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Post by Dane on Oct 15, 2017 22:32:48 GMT -8
Jim my reservation with this "issue" is convoluting genuine public oversight / governance issues with painting a boat... It is not a symbol of something greater, it is a normal part of business. The 'Nanaimo will get the same treatment in British Columbia albeit likely without a Fijian ferry forum getting upset about it.
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Post by Starsteward on Oct 16, 2017 5:48:47 GMT -8
Where the painting of the ship took place is not really the big issue. BC Ferries has had in its history 4 ships purchased second hand from overseas, plus two others that came from Quebec. The most recent two, purchased by the 'new' BC Ferries, were painted overseas prior to delivery. The earlier ships were mostly painted here. Dane says that he has photos/documentation with regard to the Basto. I wouldn't mind seeing that. The real issue is the systematic way that the new (post 2003) BC Ferries has gone out of its way to have work done - both new builds & repair/upgrades - overseas. The standard answer is "our yards don't have the capacity", and that may be true, but just how did our capacity to build & maintain ships whither to the extent that it has? Today, we can't build even little vessels here and larger upgrades are now being sent overseas. Where we paint a vessel is not in & of itself a big deal, just a piece of a much bigger issue. And talking about it on this forum ought to be okay. And if our new Greek ferry is as good as our other previously enjoyed greek boat I think or yards will get more then enough work Unless I got up too early this morning, I'm not following 'Maine's' use of the scrambled English in his recent post above. The aforementioned aside, I agree with 'WettCoast''s assessment of BCFS's current 'business practices' that would appear to be somewhat anti-local in terms of having their fleet serviced here other than emergency repairs and drydocking. Local yards have not done a helluva lot lately to greatly enamour themselves to BCFS, so not surprising BCFS's current position. |
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Post by Mayne on Oct 16, 2017 9:02:35 GMT -8
Unless I got up too early this morning, I'm not following 'Maine's' use of the scrambled English in his recent post above. The aforementioned aside, I agree with 'WettCoast''s assessment of BCFS's current 'business practices' that would appear to be somewhat anti-local in terms of having their fleet serviced here other than emergency repairs and drydocking. Local yards have not done a helluva lot lately to greatly enamour themselves to BCFS, so not surprising BCFS's current position.I will help you simplify my previous post. The link shows a picture if the Queen of Chilliwack in her new expo paint work while in route to BC.
My name is Mayne not Maine as in Mayne island.
The wording of previously enjoyed = used boat
The other boat that we purchased from Grease is the Northern Adventurer.
And the comment that our yards will be receiving more than enough work is referencing to the track record of our other USED boat from Grease (the Northern Adventurer)
I hope this helps you
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Post by minstrel on Oct 16, 2017 18:24:57 GMT -8
To Clarify the other Boat (Ship) we purchased from Greece was the Northern Adventure (Ex "Sonia") BC Ferries does not have a Ship Called Northern Adventurer. As to its time in refit, it spends as much or more time on the Northern runs than the newer Northern Expedition with the same maintenance periods.
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Post by Dane on Oct 16, 2017 22:12:15 GMT -8
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Post by vancouverecho on Oct 26, 2017 2:52:30 GMT -8
Where the painting of the ship took place is not really the big issue. BC Ferries has had in its history 4 ships purchased second hand from overseas, plus two others that came from Quebec. The most recent two, purchased by the 'new' BC Ferries, were painted overseas prior to delivery. The earlier ships were mostly painted here. Dane says that he has photos/documentation with regard to the Basto. I wouldn't mind seeing that. The real issue is the systematic way that the new (post 2003) BC Ferries has gone out of its way to have work done - both new builds & repair/upgrades - overseas. The standard answer is "our yards don't have the capacity", and that may be true, but just how did our capacity to build & maintain ships whither to the extent that it has? Today, we can't build even little vessels here and larger upgrades are now being sent overseas. Where we paint a vessel is not in & of itself a big deal, just a piece of a much bigger issue. And talking about it on this forum ought to be okay. Painting while the ship is still in Greece makes a lot of sense. The biggest issue with painting a large ship like this is getting the paint to adhere, cure and dry properly. This can only be done when the temperature is correct, and the environment is relatively free of climatic conditions that could cause problems (i.e. rain). There is also the issue of making sure the hull surface remains clean and free of contaminants in order for the paint to adhere properly; see the earlier point about climatic conditions. While this can be done locally, the ship must be specially prepared to do so; the entire working area needs to be covered under hoardings and heaters installed to maintain the correct temperature. Obviously, this adds cost and increased downtime. With new construction, often it is easier to do most of the painting while the various sections are still indoors and under cover for the exact same reason. Not doing this properly will result in the paint coming off earlier than usual, resulting in remedial work to fix the issue, and if rust develops in the areas where the paint didn't adhere or protect, it can get very expensive to fix that after the fact. TL:DR; getting paint to dry properly is hard. |
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Post by yvr on Nov 2, 2017 11:33:24 GMT -8
A quick check of the No. Sea Wolf's current location shows it still languishing in Greece. From the Times Colonist Sept 1,the statement that she will sail From Greece at the end of September and be in B.C. 36 days later. Well that didn't happen, instead BCF quietly had dry docking, strakes, paint, and perhaps other work performed in the Piraeus area. Deborah M. states the work is quite extensive and quote: This work is expected to start in early November and finish in late spring 2018. So at this point we're already over a month behind schedule. The article also states "The contract for the 240-foot-long ferry should be awarded in about a month." So that would have been around the beginning of October - oh wait, the No. Sea Wolf was in a Greek Drydock at that time. Did BCF decide to split the work! So what B.C. shipyard has the contract for the remaining work? My it's all so quiet. Totally amazing there are no information leaks on what's happening. Perhaps BCF would be more than happy to tell us the current status of this project - if asked?
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Post by Neil on Nov 2, 2017 21:15:01 GMT -8
Just a note from the November Western Mariner...
It's stated that the European AEQ capacity for the Northern Sea Wolf is 60. BC Ferries has said the 'minimum' capacity would by 35 here, but the article has them giving an AEQ figure of 45.
As we've remarked before, the lack of windows on this vessel is troubling. I hope that is part of the "improvements to passenger... accommodations."
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 2, 2017 21:48:38 GMT -8
As we've remarked before, the lack of windows on this vessel is troubling. I hope that is part of the "improvements to passenger... accommodations." In that they have done nothing to improve forward viewing on the NorAd, it seems unlikely that they will do anything of that sort with the Shoppy 1. |
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