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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 21, 2005 16:36:23 GMT -8
No it would not topple on its side. The C class have to run in mode 1 I thought through active pass? That is what a pervious post said. It is still true they would guzzle the gas.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 21, 2005 16:55:11 GMT -8
The Alberni was shorter back in the 70's when it went aground in Active Pass. But we all of course know that it is just as tall as the other C's. So if another C, for example; if the Surrey were to run aground at approximately that same spot the Alberni did, it would probably capsize, or at least lean alot. But I think if it were to be angled like the Alberni was, it would flip over easily, due to the extra weight on the Galley Deck along with the upper car deck, and longer passenger deck.
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 21, 2005 18:55:58 GMT -8
Chris have any fast cats videos? Post all your videos for us geeks to download  |
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 21, 2005 19:07:13 GMT -8
Well unfortunately I don't, but Bill did send me a 20 second clip of being on one of the Fastcats bridges while out in the Strait of Georgia. But I have filmed the Pacificat Explorer sitting in Berth 1 at Departure Bay a few times. But all of the ferries I have footage on is the: Queen of Newwestminster, Queen of Alberni, Queen of Oak Bay(before and after midlife), Queen of Coquitlam,
Queen of Cowichan (before and after midlife), and Queen of Esquimalt. But the catch is, I don't have interior shots of the ferries. The Queen of Sidney video was the most documented tour I've ever done. Although I did walk around the Oak Bay last time I was on her in October. So I could post that one next. But Mac, I could post all of my videos, but I only can do so much in one evening on top of trying to keep my good grades in school right now.
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Post by Mac Write on Nov 21, 2005 19:20:42 GMT -8
oh well on the Fast Cat videos. Thanks anyways, no need to post the videos.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 4, 2005 17:14:19 GMT -8
New Photos! I've added a new gallery, to my webshots site, dedicated to the 'Working Legend: The Queen of Tsawwassen', compiled from a few of my recent trips aboard her while on route 9. Included are interior and exterior pics, as well as shots taken from around Long Harbour, and exterior shots with the QoCumberland, SOBC/SOVI and Seaspan Dorris in the background. I've also updated my "Refit Season" gallery with photos taken on my last trip out to Deas Pacific Marine refit facility. It's a full house out there, by the way, with the Queen of the Islands, Klitsa, Kwuna, Queen of the North, Powell River Queen, Queen of Nanaimo and Queen of Esquimalt all moored in the small harbour at Deas. P.S. I will be adding a few more shots taken at Deas soon. Find them all at: community.webshots.com/user/grahameajohnson |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 4, 2005 21:22:28 GMT -8
Awesome photos. I must say the Tsawwassen's forward lounge dosent look that good anymore. Does anyone else find that the fire windows on the Tsawwassen dont look that good from inside???
She also looks very NEW looking compared to the Sidney now!
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Post by Curtis on Dec 4, 2005 21:47:14 GMT -8
Yeah she's a good ship and the first BC Ferry I ever went on
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 5, 2005 17:09:07 GMT -8
Check out the "warped ferry" pic, a V-Class as seen through one of those fire-windows... so you can guess my feelings about the fire-windows  . I just hope that the prospect of 20 more years, unlike the Tsawwassen's 1 or 2 more, motivated BCFS to buy higher quality Fwindows for the Nanaimo. |
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 5, 2005 17:29:53 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of those fire windows either. But hey, they're better than no windows at all, like how the Coquitlam was until just after the Cowichan came back from its mid life refit.
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Post by Doug on Dec 5, 2005 17:31:28 GMT -8
Those windows are $8,000 a piece...I don't think the view is changing BC Ferries minds about buying better ones.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 5, 2005 17:35:43 GMT -8
Yeah, those ones a definitely high end. Better than the method they used before though.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Dec 5, 2005 17:44:05 GMT -8
The fire windows on the SOBC look the best. I acutally like the fire windows on the SOBC compared to the regular windows with those two bars down the middle. But the ones on the Tsawwassen dont look that good from the inside epecially with the black lining they have around them makes them look ugly I think.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 6, 2005 15:36:05 GMT -8
I really don't care about looks, really, I care about sight.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 6, 2005 15:39:37 GMT -8
woops, pressed the post button too early.
I agree that the Fwindows on the SOBC are much better, and would be surprised if there wasn't some kind of difference in cost between the ones on the SOBC, and the ones on the Tsawwassen, through cutting down on labour by speeding the installation process, or whatever.
BCFS pays millions for passenger upgrades, but neglets to give a decent view from their ships? hmm...
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 6, 2005 16:11:06 GMT -8
Sorry to triple post, but I just moved down from the card-holders-only 1hr-time-limit computers upstairs (in the library) down to the public ones that you have to line up for. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris wrote: "Yeah, those ones a definitely high end. Better than the method they used before though." Do you mean the ones installed on the Tsawwassen, or is there another BCF ship with Fwindows that I don't know about? Because I have a handful of shots taken from inside looking out on the Tsawwassen that tell me that it would be quite difficult to pass off anything worse than the view from those Fwindows. It almost reminds me of a few years ago when BCTransit (Translink's predecessor in the Vancouver area) tried to get away with "all-paint" buses. Calling that view "not much different than before", like with the Tsawwassen's Fwindows, is quite an understatement. *All* the windows on these busses covered with ads, with only small (maybe a milimeter in diameter) perferations <Sp?> (holes) to see through. A stink was immediately raised by the public, and the advertisements were hastily stripped from the windows; Of course, we're dealing with something a little more permenant when we're talking about Fwindows . BTW, I got some close up shots of the Nanaimo when I was last at Deas, with decent views of those windows from far away. Last, but surely not least: I have a sneak-peak view inside the old caffeteria of the Nanaimo (from far away), taken at dusk. It looks like, for some reason, stylish curved walls have been installed... maybe, as an alternative to getting rid of the caffeteria (as was originally planned), BCFS decided to go with a joint Caffeteria/Gift shop, like someone was mentioning was aboard the Queen of Burnaby when she was in Victoria-Seattle service. I will post here once I've uploaded the new pics. |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 6, 2005 16:22:36 GMT -8
The Fire windows being on the Tsawwassen is because they have some life saving equipment at the front of the ship...well they have 2 cranes at the front they're probably used for something
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 6, 2005 16:25:15 GMT -8
Do you mean the ones installed on the Tsawwassen, or is there another BCF ship with Fwindows that I don't know about? Because I have a handful of shots taken from inside looking out on the Tsawwassen that tell me that it would be quite difficult to pass off anything worse than the view from those Fwindows. Well on any of the single ended, V-Class ferries, I don't even think they used any sort of fire windows in the areas around the lifeboats. But then on the C-Class, Queen of Alberni, Cowichan, Coquitlam, they decided to use double paned glass, and below the davits they had screens in between the two panes of glass making the glass a little more resistant to heat during a fire. But then on Oak Bay and Surrey, they used the double panes of glass, but put another window in front of the windows only in the areas below the davits. Just like you have a picture of here: community.webshots.com/photo/466587113/506323710WlYhweBut like I said before, the fire windows they use on the ferries now, give me the impression that they're more resistant to the heat from a fire, compared to the old methods used in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Although I could be wrong, they could be just as resistant to the fire, but just seem a little more less noticeable, compared to the way they did it with the Oak Bay and Surrey originally. |
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 6, 2005 16:29:00 GMT -8
The Fire windows being on the Tsawwassen is because they have some life saving equipment at the front of the ship...well they have 2 cranes at the front they're probably used for something Those cranes are also davits, and were probably even taken off of a C-Class during a mid life refit, seeming they don't use the davit system for evacuting passengers, but they do for crew members to launch a zodiak off of the upper outer deck now though. But on the Tsawwassen, judging by the boxes I remember seeing on the C-Class as well, are probably full of the tent like liferafts. |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 6, 2005 16:45:36 GMT -8
Oh yeah, now I remember those ugly old ones on the C-Class... I rarely get on the C-Class. Quite frankly, if those old Fwindows were able to be as fire-resistant as the new ones, I would almost prefer them. Ugly as they may be, unlike the Tsawwassen's Fwindows, they still do an adequate job of living up to their original purpose... *Seeing through* them!
I'm not extremely bothered by the ones on the Tsawwassen, after all, she won't be with the fleet in a couple years; what I'm bothered by is BCFS justification for if the same poor visibility windows were installed on the Nanaimo. Here you have a company that's spent millions on upgrades to passenger ammenities (some might argue more than should have), a company whose mandate includes promoting "Beautiful B.C." to the tourists that travel its ships, who have made a mockery of their best asset: The View!
I must qualify my comments, though:
I don't know details about Fwindows; I don't know about strength, cost, or expected value and quality of the product based on TC regs, cost and such. So, really, I could just be talking out of my a*s... But I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to tourism, photography, and other things effected by the lack of the quality of the view through Fwindows.
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Post by geust on Dec 7, 2005 18:28:58 GMT -8
the reason the alberni ran aground in active pass was because ot hit a reff (shoal) that was not marked. today that reff is marked with a green flashing light. And the reason it started to tip was from the tide going down.
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Post by Dane on Dec 7, 2005 21:56:54 GMT -8
I think all the windows in BC Ferries fleet serve their purpose... THe fire windows aren't that bad at all. Perhaps your view is obstructed like 2-3% in terms of visual accuity, but most of that's psychologocal since we're going onto the ferries looking for these things.
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Post by QTeen on Dec 8, 2005 8:43:16 GMT -8
Yeah she's a good ship and the first BC Ferry I ever went on The Spirit of BC was the first BCFerry I ever went on, but the Quinsam was the first there and return trip ferry I went on. |
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 8, 2005 17:55:53 GMT -8
Dane wrote: "THe fire windows aren't that bad at all. Perhaps your view is obstructed like 2-3% in terms of visual accuity" Sorry, buddy, but I take that as a challenge  . I've heard my calling, and will soon be posting a new album on my webshots site in order to illustrate my point. Put simply, if my eyes had the same visual acuity as these Fwindows on the Tsawwassen give you, then I'd be considered legally blind. |
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Post by Dane on Dec 8, 2005 20:16:25 GMT -8
Dane wrote: "THe fire windows aren't that bad at all. Perhaps your view is obstructed like 2-3% in terms of visual accuity" Sorry, buddy, but I take that as a challenge . I've heard my calling, and will soon be posting a new album on my webshots site in order to illustrate my point. Put simply, if my eyes had the same visual acuity as these Fwindows on the Tsawwassen give you, then I'd be considered legally blind. I've got photos too! Now if I can find them LOL... I'll be back on her. EDIT: No, I won't I think the Naniamo will be SGulf soon and the CHilliwack will be at Earl's Cove when I go on my BC Ferries all route adventure. |
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. I just hope that the prospect of 20 more years, unlike the Tsawwassen's 1 or 2 more, motivated BCFS to buy higher quality Fwindows for the Nanaimo. 
. I've heard my calling, and will soon be posting a new album on my webshots site in order to illustrate my point. Put simply, if my eyes had the same visual acuity as these Fwindows on the Tsawwassen give you, then I'd be considered legally blind.