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Post by Curtis on May 12, 2006 7:19:34 GMT -8
Thats a awesome name Plumper Queen.
(Two Guys Act Again) 1. Hey that Ship isn't Fat! 2. Why do you say that? 1. It's name is the Plumper Queen
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Post by Mike C on May 12, 2006 7:59:48 GMT -8
That's an interesting idea...
...MV Spirit of Save-On-Foods...
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Post by Fenklebaum on May 12, 2006 10:43:43 GMT -8
"MV Queen of Star-bucks - at least you know your been screwed and taking there money at the same time"
Cascade: Bravo
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Post by QSaanich on May 12, 2006 14:12:03 GMT -8
How about queen of the two sailing wait or queen of mc donalds LOL ;D
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Post by Curtis on May 12, 2006 15:46:40 GMT -8
Here's a long list of "Queen of" Names going through tons of Categories From TV to Video Games to Businesses to Sport Teams to Famous People
Queen of the Sunshine Breakfast, Queen of Coca Cola, Queen of Safeway, Queen of Wal-Mart, Queen of A&W, Queen of Bread Garden, Queen of Villages Pizza, Queen of Seinfeld, Queen of Global TV, Queen of The Simpsons, Queen of Homer Simpson, Queen of Family Guy, Queen of Peter Griffin, Queen of The Vancouver Canucks, Queen of the BC Lions, Queen of the World, Queen of Nintendo, Queen of Homestar Runner, Queen of Strong Bad, Queen of Trogdor, Queen of Corner Gas, Queen of Brent Butt, Queen of Gordon Campbell, Queen of David Hahn, Queen of the Ferries (or BC Ferries), Queen of the Queen of (Yeah thats what I said).
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 12, 2006 16:25:17 GMT -8
Seriously, I think that we will see some corporate naming rights done on ships, in the not-too-distant future. Maybe not a name of an entire ship, but a name of a lounge or restaurant.
We're pretty close with the agreements with WhiteSpot / Villages / BreadGarden already.
Stadium naming-rights are seen as "normal" now....so eventually this will happen with quasi-public transport.
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Post by Balfour on May 12, 2006 23:38:13 GMT -8
Yeah, just watch Phibbs Exchange become "White Spot Exchange"
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Post by Mike C on May 13, 2006 8:44:56 GMT -8
Back in Manhatten, they are on the absolute verge of doing so. They have thier lines named after letters and numbers. We'll see what happens to them.
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Post by BrianWilliams on May 13, 2006 18:33:54 GMT -8
Corporate naming on public transport has at least one failed example here. A few years ago, when the Skytrain Millenium Line was building, Labatt's suggested "Brewery" as the name for the Sapperton station by their New West plant; in return, Labatt's offered to pay for a canopy over the pedestrian overpass. It didn't seem such a bad idea to me at the time. However, here's the view last month from Sapperton Station:  Brewery goin' down, and condos to rise. The name would seem silly now. |
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Post by Mike C on May 13, 2006 18:48:11 GMT -8
Ouch. I never knew of plans to tear down the plant on Brunette. Wow.
-QOB Teen
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Post by BrianWilliams on May 13, 2006 19:13:05 GMT -8
Truly, my "historical ships" suggestion has a lot of problems. In that short list above, I left out quite a few (Queen Charlotte, Columbia, HMS Ganges, etc) that gave their names to geographical points now better-known than the original ships.
The Spanish names are true BC heritage, but I do imagine the oddity of sailing to Vancouver Island on MV Mexicana "Where's the tequila shooters bar, man ..."
Poor ol' HMS Plumper was a true hero of this coast. She was one of the Royal Navy's bird-named ships. Why, oh why didn't they send us HMS Gannet, Kestrel, or even Capercaillie?
I never liked the Queen Of-- names. I was a little kid when BCF started, and a great admirer of CP's Princesses. It's well-known that WAC Bennett one-upped the dying Princesses with the Queen names. I thought it was a cheap shot.
*sigh* But I like the Spirit names even less. Whether genderless, or just mystical crystal-gazing new-agism, the prefix is dumb.
Even dumber is "Coastal". Um, yeah: sea water ferries in BC run only on the coast; unless we're planning to add a trans Pacific division, and services to Saskatchewan as well.
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Post by Mike C on May 13, 2006 19:32:09 GMT -8
I remember a way back, the old Skytrain cars had names: whether the "Spirit of Nelson" or "Spirit of Port Hardy," it was pretty strange. Now, that Translink has come to it's senses, they now refer to their trains by number, Old trains: 1-199; New trains (shown below): 200-299
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Post by BrianWilliams on May 13, 2006 19:38:14 GMT -8
To QoB Teen: That photo was 23 April - the demolition is almost done now.
Labatt's BC beer production is all at Creston, and a lot of their big sellers are shipped in from Edmonton. Too bad, and foolish.
Shipping beer 1000 miles is stupid. It's 95% water (poor water, in Edmonton's case), and with fuel at a buck+/litre, the costs are going to hurt.
Molson on Burrard Street is the last big Vancouver brewery. They'd be outta there, too, I am told. But part of their site is disputed Kitsilano (Squamish) native land. Once a deal is made with the Squamish people, expect condo towers to sprout there.
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Post by BrianWilliams on May 13, 2006 19:52:01 GMT -8
Thanks for the reminder.
The "Spirit of--" Skytrain cars were rolled out in late 1985/early '86, and every mayor of burgs large and small got a free weekend in Vancouver. When their cars came out of the paint shop, Grace McCarthy hosted a ribbon cutting, with official photos that appeared in the hometown papers.
One pair still rattling around: Spirit Of Chetwynd and Spirit of Tumbler Ridge. TR is a ghost town today, but its "Spirit" still haunts Vancouver rails.
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Post by Neil on May 13, 2006 22:53:21 GMT -8
Rant warning: members may want to skip this post and head for the photos.
I'm not in favour of naming any more ships or places on this coast after British or Spanish ships or naval officers. Too many scoundrels have been honoured already.
I think we have to be careful about romanticizing certain aspects of our history without paying attention to context. Before the Brits and Spaniards came, every point on this coast had a very serviceable and often very descriptive name given to it by our native peoples, and virtually all of those names were stripped away and replaced with memorials to the newcomers. A lot of the ships immortalized on this coast, along with their mapping exercises, left behind a legacy of alcohol and disease, and some of the officers whose names grace our islands and passages were vain, ignorant racists who saw the indigenous people as little more than brutes, and helped promote a mindset which would seek to destroy native culture wherever possible. If Queen Charlotte was anything like virtually every other royal of past centuries, she thought of native people as needing to be indoctrinated into civilized European ways, if she thought of them at all.
In Surrey, there is the cheerfully named Strawberry Hill neighbourhood, with of course, the like named shopping mall. No one gives too much thought to the history of it; land cleared by hand by Japanese settlers, painstakingly turned into abundant strawberry fields, and then stolen away from the farmers, along with all their possessions, when the racism of World War Two took hold. Of course, they never got it back. But no matter; its a nice name for a mall.
History isn't always a matter of facts so much as a matter of perspective. With that in mind, I can understand why BC Ferries might choose bland names for their ships. I know that some will use that boringly overdone catchphrase 'politically correct', but perhaps in the past, we've been a bit too careless about what we honour or immortalize, and now we're paying a bit more attention.
As for the dogma that ships have to have feminine monikers- we're talking about diesel fume spewing hunks of steel that transport cars from point A to point B. Sounds kind of macho to me.
Rant warning ended. I'll go lie down down now. Thanks for your indulgence.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 14, 2006 8:16:50 GMT -8
HornbyGuy: Thanks for the entertainment and the opportunity for a good think.
You've made some good points to ponder.
I'll respond after I ponder some more......
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Post by Scott on May 15, 2006 21:13:14 GMT -8
I find the names quite "self gratifying" from a BC Ferries perspective. Coastal Rennissance... what a joke. What kind of rennissance have we seen? An improved menu, a new paint-job, a few refits, and a few good promotions... otherwise, it's basically the same as it was before.
No new ferries (maybe the John Atlantic Burr should be named Coastal Rennissance.. it would be more apt), way higher fares, fuel surcharges, the same old ferry breakdowns, longer waits, higher reservation fees... they took the old flag/symbol and replaced it with a copy-cat, mean-nothing flag, they haven't imrpoved relationships with the union... what a rennissance!! What a joke. They're sure high on themselves.
Coastal Celebration. That's suppost to mean we'll be celebrating when they arrive on the coast? What are we going to be celebrating? Three ships that should have been here 10 years ago? They're not going to change anything... the three ships will arrive and three ships will be retired. What else are we going to be celebrating? The excellent German handywork and engineering and all the jobs that went overseas? Maybe we will be celebrating the 6 fuel surcharges that will be added in the next three years? Or the 3 fare rate hikes?
I like the idea of naming new ferries after local historical ships. And I think there are enough "good" people or things in our local history that we can celebrate in naming our ships. Whatever they're named, I think they should have some reference to our history or geography... and not some self-grandiose mean-nothing names that we've got now.
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Post by Neil on May 15, 2006 21:51:21 GMT -8
Re: John's comments about BC Ferries' direction.... did anyone see the editorial in today's (Monday) Province? It blew my mind that my right wing, God's-name-is-Free-Enterprise employer actually came out and said that this quasi-private, profit seeking nonsense isn't working very well, and we should maybe get back to thinking of the ferries as a necessary part of the highway system. Someone in Editorial will probably get canned for spouting such heresy.
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Post by BrianWilliams on May 16, 2006 0:03:02 GMT -8
<rant on>
Though Narvaez, Quadra and Vancouver didn't intend the destruction of West Coast culture, their bumbling colonialism opened the way to later booze traders, rapists and land thieves.
"Terror Of The Coast" by Chris Arnett (Talonbooks, Vancouver 1999) is still in print.
Arnett's readable, exciting history is centred on the Lamalcha battle (on today's Thetis Island). The 1863 fight was the only defeat of the Royal Navy by native people in its 400-year history.
Arnett's book tells much more. Land-grabbers in the 1850's were constrained by HBC's policy: "occupied lands are off-limits"
Hmm. Read Arnett.
HBC, and the later BC Colony sent surveyors to Saanich, the Chemainus valley and Nanaimo.
"Empty, unocupied land here..."
The surveyors just happened to work in August and September (hah! what good luck) ... when all the folks were away harvesting salmon on the Fraser River.
Our theft of people's land is a travesty. If you have time to read Peter Arnett's book, you will be quite surprised.
Victoria had several daily newspapers in the 1860's One, quoted by Arnett was fully supportive of Indian rights.
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Post by Dane on May 16, 2006 0:25:38 GMT -8
TR is a ghost town today, but its "Spirit" still haunts Vancouver rails. Totally off topic, but Tumbler Ridge is booming once again. After loosing/nearly-loosing almost all essential services one of the two major mines reopened and secondary industries are starting to carry the town once again. I was there a few weeks ago, it's still depressing as always though! |
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Post by Ian on May 16, 2006 14:28:38 GMT -8
Those names are like the ones I submitted,
Coastal Wind, Coastal Song and Coastal Passage
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Post by Mike C on May 16, 2006 17:38:06 GMT -8
I did: Coastal Explorer, Coastal Discovery, Haida Gwaii
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Post by WettCoast on May 16, 2006 18:46:48 GMT -8
John Hammersmark, your comments above re the chosen names, the so-called private company, their lust to sack the dogwood, etc., are all 'right on'.
Thank You.
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Post by Scott on May 16, 2006 22:04:00 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 17, 2006 6:47:33 GMT -8
John: I think you just gave the secret DaVinci Code in that last posting.....
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