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Post by Ian on Jul 17, 2005 13:47:53 GMT -8
It is too busy in burrard inlet, the last thing we need is a ferry service going through.
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Post by Balfour on Jul 18, 2005 12:24:06 GMT -8
Just look at Park Royal. The Natives down there make a sh1tload of money of Park Royal.
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 18, 2005 20:44:04 GMT -8
"Why not do a deal with the First Nation people at Tsawwassen ..."
In fact, the 1960 BCF causeway is anchored on native land, though the Roberts Bank freight port is just north of the reserve.
I agree, a truck-only ferry service adjacent to Deltaport might be the best answer, perhaps between BCF and the container port.
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Post by NMcKay on Jul 19, 2005 10:26:18 GMT -8
i think we should put a terminal in point grey, and then have the parking lot in Campbells Yard....
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Post by Balfour on Jul 19, 2005 10:31:40 GMT -8
That'd be kinda funny, but UBC is already on Point Grey
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 21, 2005 10:45:28 GMT -8
cascade on the otherside of the causeway is deltaport
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Post by kylefossett on Jul 21, 2005 14:29:14 GMT -8
deltaport is the container operations at roberts bank. owned and operated by vanterm. currently full to capacity because of the container truck strike.
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 21, 2005 23:24:04 GMT -8
"I understand they are still fighting over the claims & rights for the causeway - started in 1958/59 for the Terminal. "
I don't know, but I should learn more. Before the mid-1970s, there were some terrible land-grabs in BC, when native lands were administered by a national commisioner with little reference to the people whose land it is.
This has set up some confrontations today, notably the Musqueam residential leaseholds in SW Vancouver.
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Post by Ian on Jul 22, 2005 22:46:38 GMT -8
BC is still the only province to not have settled all the native treaties.
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Post by Doug on Jul 22, 2005 23:45:01 GMT -8
Thanks - Delta Port. In my day it was called "Roberts Bank Super Port". The only thing going out to it was rail cars full of coal. Have looked it up - it has changed a lot. In the late 70's and parts of the 80's I remember parts of the causeway closed off - our First Nation people wanting to collect a toll - as they felt they were cheated out on the deal. So what is the situation now ? Reading the BC Ferries accounts - 31st March 2005. They spend $3.9M on land - lease for Horseshoe Bay & Swartz Bay. I can see where the money went on Swartz Bay - road in to it - but where in Horseshoe Bay ? Any ideas? Roberts Bank was built in '68 as a coal-only port. That part of the Port is still called "Roberts Bank Superport." Only the container operation is called "Deltaport." |
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 24, 2005 19:14:50 GMT -8
"BC is still the only province to not have settled all the native treaties. "
We are wandering from a ferry topic, I know, but SW British Columbia never had "treaties" with the original people, like most of western Canada.
Our pre-1858 history was a patchwork of agreements between HBC and individual native groups. Often, these arrangements were very fair to both sides, and they were expected to continue under British Colonial rule, but ...
Greed got in the way, plus racism and far-away British intransigence. I recommend "Terror Of The Coast" (Chris Arnett; TalonBooks, Burnaby, 1999) for reading. This book documents a few crucial years in the story of southern Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 25, 2005 9:32:46 GMT -8
Yes but that was needed at Swartz Bay. When overloads occur, they were backed up in the only two highway lanes, which in that case before it was done would block traffic trying to get on the island ferries and residents to Lands End! Now we have like the two main highway lanes for Vancouver traffic going into Swartz Bay! We have one lane for the Gulf Islands! And the yield lane coming from McDonald Park road, is extended and just turns into a regular lane and then becomes the exit lane for the Lands End road! So now people can actually get to the island ferries, Lands End, and the pick up and drop off areas! Also during busy times I think one of the vancouver lanes is for reservations only!
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Post by Balfour on Jul 25, 2005 9:35:26 GMT -8
Nice and oraganized, that's good. Horseshoe Bay is organized too, but it doesn't have lanes for reservations on the Highway.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 25, 2005 9:36:58 GMT -8
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Post by Balfour on Jul 25, 2005 9:39:57 GMT -8
ah yes I can see that
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 25, 2005 9:47:43 GMT -8
wow, Langdale is pretty busy now! 1 sailing wait! along with route 1 and 2
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Post by Curtis on Jul 25, 2005 11:07:22 GMT -8
The Major Routes ideal for having more than one or two Ferries. Langdale should be running two vessels daily in the summer route 1 should have the Esquimalt instead of the Vancouver and the Vancouver should work on routes 2, 3, and 30 like the Esquimalt did and route 30 A.K.A. Tsawwassen-Duke Point should have 2 berths at Duke Point and a new Over-hight ship just my thoughts to stop the Traffic delays before the Super C Class arrive but the route 30 ideas would be unlikely
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 25, 2005 20:41:04 GMT -8
Cascade: I agree......I can't think of what BCF would be spending "lease money" on at Horseshoe Bay Terminal? Unless some of the terminal land is leased, not owned.
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Post by Mac Write on Jul 26, 2005 0:37:31 GMT -8
For the record, The third lane at Swartz Bay is for Gulf Islands and reservations. So during heavy traffic, lane 3 is used for reserved vehicles and Gulf Island only. A few months back after Easter Monday (Tuesday) Traffic was a zoo at Swaertz bay. We of course where going back to Saltspring and the lineup was huge. We had to take the shoulder to the ticket booths so we could get on (and just make the cut off might I add).
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Post by Mac Write on Jul 26, 2005 13:29:09 GMT -8
Horseshoe Bay foot buildings are being upgraded to the new look, this was back in April when I was there.
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Post by CN2972South on Jul 27, 2005 20:24:50 GMT -8
The amount of rail traffic to and from the island is supposed to increase over the next few years, which equates to less trucks using the ferries. There are at least 25 industries between Courtenay and Victoria, and Port Alberni and Parksville that will be making the move to the railway in the next few years. There is also talk of building a lumber reload somewhere on the E&N which would put the lumber loads on the railcars before they leave the island, instead of having to truck to Vancouver, to BNSF's reload in New Westminster.
Why am I going off about the railways? One railcar can carry 2 truck loads, so for every railcar moved to and from the island means 2 less trucks on BC Ferries
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 28, 2005 8:56:31 GMT -8
why would you need ro/ro rail when seaspan currently has ro/ro rail??
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 28, 2005 9:15:52 GMT -8
so then maybe BC could use another ferry operator
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Post by YZFNick on Jul 28, 2005 11:28:06 GMT -8
If all truck traffic from Departure Bay was routed to Horseshoe Bay, would there be a capacity problem with the two current ships on route 30?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 28, 2005 11:37:28 GMT -8
yes there would and cascade's idea makes plenty of sense because then you can have truck traffic going to the north so that it could me more siggnificant revenuce for BC Ferries or another operator the only downside is that you would have to reconstruct terminals to fit the vessels now route 30 you would need ro/pax like the pride of canterbury to do the job
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