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Post by ray on Sept 22, 2003 18:48:17 GMT -8
Over the next ten years BC Ferries Services will order at least four new ships, what should their names be? Two will be “Super Century Class”, which will a cross between a “Intimidate” and a "Century Class” vessel. One will take over the Bowen Island-Horseshoe Bay route, while the other will be assigned the Forford-Swartz Bay run. As with the first “Century Class” ship the “Skeena Queen”, I feel the new vessels should carry the name of a great BC River. The two other new vessels will be an improved versions of the “S Class” ships. I feel that the “Spirit” name should live on with these new ferries or should carry the name of a retired ship (Like “Queen of Victoria II”.) or a mix of both (Like “Spirit of Victoria”.). As for the future they looking ahead to replace the remaining “Sidney”, “Burnaby” and “V” class ships, with eider 190 cars/800 passenger and 320 cars/1100 passenger ferries sometime after the 2010 Winter Olympics. What names should these vessels carry? Also about the same time all three of the northern ships will need to be replaced. What should be there names? Please submit you suggestions under this thread and who know may someone at BCSF will see it and pass it on to the company’s board. Thanks Ray  |
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Post by Scott on Sept 22, 2003 22:48:39 GMT -8
I like your idea of naming any more Century class vessels after rivers... that would mean.. a Fraser Queen ... maybe a Stikine Queen (sounds funny) ... I don't know about the Thompson or the Columbia.. as the Thomson doesn't come to the ocean and the Columbia is way back in the Rockies. Columbia Queen sounds pretty good though!  For Spirit class vessels, you might as well keep calling them "Spirits," although I much more prefer "Queens". Spirit of Georgia Strait, Spirit of Active Pass, Spirit of Victoria and/or Vancouver. There are still a lot of coastal towns that could have ferries named after them... Parksville, Duncan, Gibsons, Squamish, Port Moody, Comox... the list goes on! The next 10 years should be pretty exciting! I'm looking forward to seeing the designs of the new ferries and how they deal with the aging fleet. John |
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Post by MV Queen Of New Westminster on Sept 23, 2003 12:48:30 GMT -8
I guess I'm a bit of a traditioinalist when it comes to naming our ships. I agree that any new "Spirit" class vessels, might as well continue being "Spirits of" Don't forget, the idea of CHANGING the ship designations from QUEENS of to SPIRITS of(A nice gender-neutral name) came at the height of that political correctness nonsense that we had to endure during the 90's & because of it, a fine tradition was changed forever. The Spirit vessels were the first ferries that didn't have the word "Queen" in their name & all because the government in power at the time, didn't want the possibility of offending anybody. I guess I'm obviously on a bit of a rant here, but I just hated when they broke with that tradition. As for the present, I think that any new ships that are built to REPLACE existing, or retired ships should be called after their namesake IE: Queen of Burnaby, Victoria etc... Now that BC Ferries is no longer a government run company, they should be immune from such political meddlings & free to resume a fine tradition of ship names. |
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Post by Scott on Sept 23, 2003 16:48:18 GMT -8
I would agree 100% with your "rant"! |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 23, 2003 17:15:20 GMT -8
I got the same idea except they should make them the same as the S class today
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Post by marsbar1973 on Sept 25, 2003 21:33:42 GMT -8
"Queen" of Parksville, Hey I like it.  I remember when the Queen of Burnaby was renamend Royal Victoria the mayor of Burnaby complained about it in the paper. "It is a lost honor" He said It should be noted that the Spirits were named in 1993 and 1994 and the Skeena "Queen" in 1997. Speaking of Honor, I wonder how the artist who designed the cougar painting on the Pacificats feels now since the cats are a complete disastor.  |
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Post by ray on Sept 25, 2003 23:06:28 GMT -8
What if the people a AOL/Time-Warner pay BC Ferries $1,000,000 (US) to have one its new 320cars/1100passengers ferries for the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale route, The “M.V. Queen of Walnut Grove.” Not only after the Langley (Township.) neighborhood, but also for the little town from the long running hit TV. series “Little House on the Prairie”.
(Note: For any “Beachcomber” reading this posting, it’s very likely that its identical sister ship on the route would be named “M.V. Queen of Gibsons”.)
Ray
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Post by John Hammersmark on Sept 26, 2003 8:50:01 GMT -8
Hm. So I'm assuming, "M.V. Queen of Coca Cola" is out? Or how about "M.V. Fuji Film Princess" or "M.V. Queen of Microsoft" or "M.V. Jean Chretien" (he'd really like that! probably pay a bit of money for it too!  or "M.V. Proctor & Gamble Princess". BC Ferries could probably get some good sponsorship money from this! But personally I'd hate it and so would most people I think:) Can anyone imagine the newly renamed "Queen of Cowichan" ("Dorito Queen") with a great big dorito chip painted on her side? Hopefully I haven't given anyone with some power any ideas!! |
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Post by jenn on Sept 26, 2003 11:12:28 GMT -8
John, in Reply #1 on Sept. 23, you forgot to mention one of the most important coastal communities that a ferry could be named after: French Creek! Not that I'm biased or anything....  |
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Post by mvqueenofnewwestminster on Sept 26, 2003 12:23:53 GMT -8
You know, it's funny...I was just thinking about how it would look. A brand new, no doubt HUGE ferry called: "Queen of Sidney/Victoria"etc... & it just wouldn't look right. And yet, it would be harder to see it as a "Spirit of....." I guess it comes down to a LESSER of 2 evils thing & if that's the case, I guess I would still opt for naming the ships after retired ones, but I can just FEEL the conflicting emotions as I gaze at the name of the first ship that would be renamed. |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 26, 2003 14:38:57 GMT -8
Hey do they just name ferries after coastal communities and rivers, and areas around the south coast? What about like a Queen of Kelowna, or Penticton, or Whistler, actually I dont know if that sounds too good. Another one, Campbell River Queen or Queen of Campbell River. Campbell River Queen sound better I think. Actually I really like those two suggestions about if they built more Spirit Class ships, Spirit of Georgia Straight and Spririt of Active Pass sound kind of neat. Queen of Sooke? ok, that just sounds funny now, or even funnier where I live Queen of Metchosin.
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Post by ray on Sept 26, 2003 15:25:42 GMT -8
Here’s my suggestions for the names of the new BC Ferries entering service over the next ten years, also the renaming of two existing vessels. “Spirit of British Columbia” should renamed “Queen of British Columbia.” “Spirit of Vancouver Island” should renamed “Queen of Vancouver Island.” New super S class ships should be named “Queen of Victoria II” and “Queen of Vancouver II”. New Intermediate/Century ships class should be named “Fraser Queen” and “Columbia Queen”. New ships of the northern runs should be named “Queen of the West”, “Queen of the North II” and “Spirit of the Haida Gwail”. New 190cars/800 passengers ships should be named “Queen of the Comox Valley” and "Queen of Sechelt”. New 320cars/1000 passengers ships should be named “Queen of Gibsons”, “Queen of Whistler”, “Queen of White Rock” and “Queen of Partsville”. So, what do you think of my selection? Ray |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 26, 2003 22:17:30 GMT -8
Here's what I think, I think leaving the Spirit of British Columbia and the Spirit of Vancouver Island as Spirits would be a good idea, I really cant see them as Queens after all this time carrying the name Spirits. I know there just names, but I think the Spirit names should live on. If they build new S class ships they should carry the spirit name wheather it's a name of a retired ship like Spirit of Victoria or something like that. The other ones you metioned I think they are pretty good names. What about like Comox Valley Queen? Instead of Queen of the Comox Valley. But yeah, there all pretty good names. Karl |
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Post by Marsbar on Sept 29, 2003 16:14:19 GMT -8
Sorry "Queen of The West" is out. The same Cruise company that just Launched the Paddle wheeelr "Empress of The North" has a older ship called Queen of The West.
I would imagine they might have called the Empress of The North. Queen of The North if it wasn't for our Ferry with the same name.
I forgot the Name of the Company, But the Empress of The North was just put into service this summer on the Alaska cruise ship run, being the only over night paddelwheeler in Alaska.
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Post by John Hammersmark on Sept 29, 2003 16:35:29 GMT -8
Do you know what the rules are for naming ships? Can two ships be named the same name if they're in different countries (I'm sure it's common for smaller vessels) or do all ships registered on Lloyds List have to have different names? I'm not too familiar with the conventions surrounding names of ships. I don't think that a fishing boat or a small pleasure craft is registered with Lloyds, but I think most large commercial ships are. In Canada, Transport Canada has a list of all registered ships (not quite sure what qualifies as a registered ship) in the country... however I do know that fish boats are included.
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 11, 2004 21:17:48 GMT -8
Reviving an old topic (I hope):
I am quite passionate on ships' names. I was a little kid when BC Ferries began. When they started the "Queen" names, I was annoyed, because I revered the CP Princesses and Union SS Ladies. I thought BCF was arrogant, naming their blunt-bowed boats so regally.
However, I am now happy with the Queen tradition. Again, I disliked the Spirit names (too new-agey), but the two boats properly reflect the colonies of BC and Vancouver Island that united in 1866. We should not add any more Spirit names, unless we annex new territory (Spirit of Point Roberts?). Spirit of New Caledonia is just possible, because that was the HBC name for BC before 1846.
I would like to phase out non-maritime names from the fleet. Burnaby, Surrey, New Westminster, Chilliwack and Coquitlam have waterfront, but are not saltwater towns by tradition. Landlocked Cumberland will have to wait for global warming before there's a dock there.
Geographical names are always difficult as routes change. The Bowen Queen hasn't seen Howe Sound for many years.
Personal names may be the worst. We all know "The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald" but who was Ed Fitzgerald? A Chicago banker, who never got his feet wet.
I do have a thought, following the lead of Vancouver's SeaBuses. They are Burrard Beaver and Burrard Otter. These names commemorate HBC's early steamers on this coast.
Carefully chosen, we could use the names of historic ships that made our coastal history. Resolution, Discovery, Chatham, Sutil and Mexicana come to mind. Plumper is a bit unfortunate-sounding, though important. Sea Otter, North America and Columbia are good, though Queen Charlotte may be confusing.
I'll suspend my dislike of personal names for at least one: I'd like to see MV John Walbran somewhere in the fleet. He's the gov't surveyor who re-charted our coast over 100 years ago in HMS Quadra, following the wake of Vancouver and Richards. Walbran was a master mariner and a good writer. He gave us "British Columbia Coast Names" first published in 1909 and still in print today. It's a lively read -- in your library or bookstore.
Capt Walbran would have some suggestions for us, you bet.
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Post by HarbourLynx Kid on Aug 18, 2004 10:01:35 GMT -8
Not all of BC Ferries Are Queens, or Spirits, Some of the Ships have a different Naming scheme (Klitsa,Kwuna,Kahloke,Quinsam,Quinitsa)
But i think naming stuff with Spirits names would be awesome
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Post by Doug on Aug 20, 2004 23:22:12 GMT -8
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the new BC Ferries names the ships similar to the Pacificats. Eg,: Explorer, Discovery, Voyager. They may also place their name in it. Eg,: BC Ferry Explorer. I just don't have high hopes on them naming them "Queens" after towns. They might use "Spirit" for these new "Super C" Class ferries, but that's just my guess. From looking at other ferry companies, private ones seem to use that kind of name. For example: Stena Line named our Queen of the North "Stena Danica." Perhaps this is named after someone, but there is a "Stena Challenger" as well in their fleet.
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Post by Harbourlynx Kid on Aug 21, 2004 6:54:19 GMT -8
OR, just evolve the century name
Century of Hope
Century of Evolution
Century of Exploration
Century of Evolution
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Post by Scott on Aug 21, 2004 11:43:27 GMT -8
Or what about something naming the ships with the prefix "Pride Of".
> Pride of Victoria
> Pride of Vancouver
> etc......
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Post by Harbourlynx Kid on Aug 23, 2004 10:31:03 GMT -8
Pride would not help those out there that are against gay's. im not, but i have yet to see mayne ships that carry that name
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 23, 2004 17:11:12 GMT -8
Actually I do know of two cruise ships that carry the name Pride. Norwegian Cruise Lines two new ships, called the Pride of America (entering serive in June 2005) and Pride of Aloha just entered service or will be entering service soon. Both carry the name Pride. Personally though I like the Century and Spirit names better for our ships.
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Post by Cosmic Ray on Aug 25, 2004 9:56:39 GMT -8
What about naming one of the new northern ships "M.V. Olive Fredrickson" the author of the "Silence of the North", the ture story a pioneer woman in northern BC at the start of the last century. 8-)
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Post by Sean Goerzen on Aug 30, 2004 11:34:50 GMT -8
I think that B.c ferries could call some new ferries spirits. but I would agree they should keep the tradition of calling ferries "queen's" ie: Queen of Nanaimo ll ,Saanich ll etc.
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Post by Curtis on Oct 11, 2004 16:01:44 GMT -8
(Starting to get old)
I agree with naming the new ferries Queens, Spirts, or Queen of Victoria II.
What about Comox,Texada,or Cortes Queen II
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or "M.V. Proctor & Gamble Princess". BC Ferries could probably get some good sponsorship money from this! But personally I'd hate it and so would most people I think:) Can anyone imagine the newly renamed "Queen of Cowichan" ("Dorito Queen") with a great big dorito chip painted on her side? Hopefully I haven't given anyone with some power any ideas!!
