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Post by Neil on Sept 22, 2010 10:29:05 GMT -8
If the price that Translink spokesman Drew Snider mentions is for real, the k-barges are going to be for sale for a long time. A million dollars each? Come now. I believe BC Ferries sold at least one of the Vs for less than two million. There is probably no use for these boats- as ferries- on the entire west coast of North America. They're probably going to end up as barges in one form or another, for a price of a few hundred thousand... if the broker has any hope of unloading them.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 22, 2010 20:40:19 GMT -8
They're probably going to end up as barges in one form or another, for a price of a few hundred thousand... if the broker has any hope of unloading them. Is there any hope of them getting chopped up, transported via road up to one of the inland routes, then replacing an aging vessel there, like the Needles ferry, maybe, or something similar. More and more now, I fear that they may just get scrapped...
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Post by Neil on Sept 22, 2010 22:36:45 GMT -8
Is there any hope of them getting chopped up, transported via road up to one of the inland routes, then replacing an aging vessel there, like the Needles ferry, maybe, or something similar. More and more now, I fear that they may just get scrapped... Why is that something to fear? They're not historic, they're not beautiful ships, they're simply two small, barge-like car ferries that have outlived their usefullness. We don't lament every transit bus that comes to the end of its days, and compared to some of the noteable passenger vessels we've lost on this coast, the Klatawa and Kulleet aren't exactly overburdened with distinction.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 23, 2010 16:06:42 GMT -8
Is there any hope of them getting chopped up, transported via road up to one of the inland routes, then replacing an aging vessel there, like the Needles ferry, maybe, or something similar. More and more now, I fear that they may just get scrapped... Why is that something to fear? They're not historic, they're not beautiful ships, they're simply two small, barge-like car ferries that have outlived their usefullness. We don't lament every transit bus that comes to the end of its days, and compared to some of the noteable passenger vessels we've lost on this coast, the Klatawa and Kulleet aren't exactly overburdened with distinction. When you lived just down the road from them for a decade and a half, you and the 60,000 other Maple Ridgers who've lived here for years grow to love their little ferryboats, even if they are "ugly"
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Post by Neil on Sept 23, 2010 16:43:46 GMT -8
When you lived just down the road from them for a decade and a half, you and the 60,000 other Maple Ridgers who've lived here for years grow to love their little ferryboats, even if they are "ugly" There are also a lot of people who had to commute on the ferries for a heckuva lot longer than a decade and a half, and who don't miss the frequent hour or worse waits for a five minute crossing. There hasn't exactly been a HST-style popular uprising to demand the return of the ferries, and even the restaurant staff on the Albion side mentions how peaceful it is with them gone, while Fort Langley businesses report no downturn in business. Time marches on.
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Post by metrotownqueen on Oct 17, 2010 12:34:42 GMT -8
I remember the Albion ferries were periodically called in for service elsewhere. One of the many times when the Sea to Sky washed out, one of the ferries was pulled to make special runs between Horseshoe Bay and Brittania Beach. It was a long day for the crews because the vessel remained based at Albion so they had to return every night (I worked nights in a corner store and would see one of the bridge officers on his way to work each day when he came in for coffee).
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 17, 2010 13:30:38 GMT -8
I remember the Albion ferries were periodically called in for service elsewhere. One of the many times when the Sea to Sky washed out, one of the ferries was pulled to make special runs between Horseshoe Bay and Brittania Beach. It was a long day for the crews because the vessel remained based at Albion so they had to return every night (I worked nights in a corner store and would see one of the bridge officers on his way to work each day when he came in for coffee). Britannia Beach... might you Mean Porteau Cove, or maybe Darrel Bay? I don't remember there ever being a berth at Britannia.
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Post by metrotownqueen on Oct 17, 2010 13:53:01 GMT -8
I remember the Albion ferries were periodically called in for service elsewhere. One of the many times when the Sea to Sky washed out, one of the ferries was pulled to make special runs between Horseshoe Bay and Brittania Beach. It was a long day for the crews because the vessel remained based at Albion so they had to return every night (I worked nights in a corner store and would see one of the bridge officers on his way to work each day when he came in for coffee). Britannia Beach... might you Mean Porteau Cove, or maybe Darrel Bay? I don't remember there ever being a berth at Britannia. Thanks Viking! I was just guessing on the one port but it was most likely one of those.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 17, 2010 14:20:38 GMT -8
Actually, Porteau Cove was an after thought, and a dock was constructed there after those washouts happened I think. So it would have actually been all the way to Darrel Bay. I believe the Nicola was also used during those times as well. That's quite a trek if they made them sail back and forth through Howe Sound all day, and then head back to Albion. That's probably a 2 or 3 hour voyage in itself just getting to Albion from Horseshoe Bay....
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Post by Dane on Oct 17, 2010 17:12:10 GMT -8
Porteau hasn't been activated, ever, I do not believe? It is still tested every May and had new counterweights and a generator installed in the Fall of 2009 as part of the deal to film A Team. After that investment the movie was moved elsewhere.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 17, 2010 18:04:32 GMT -8
Has a ship ever actually been into Porteau? I know they brought the QoCoquitlam up to test Darrell Bay, but have they ever tested the berth at Porteau Cove with a ferry?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 17, 2010 18:35:53 GMT -8
Has a ship ever actually been into Porteau? I know they brought the QoCoquitlam up to test Darrell Bay, but have they ever tested the berth at Porteau Cove with a ferry? Wasn't the Tachek or QQII there at the berth, for the filming of the Double Jeopardy movie?
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Post by Dane on Oct 18, 2010 9:08:43 GMT -8
Yes, for that film, and the Queen of Capilano has been there at some point - over 10 or 15 years ago. It's the vessel all the dock planning guides revolve around; the parking lot there also has a paint diagram in place for a vessel between 80-100 AEQ. Off the top of my head I think the Cap is 85?
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 18, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -8
Has a ship ever actually been into Porteau? I know they brought the QoCoquitlam up to test Darrell Bay, but have they ever tested the berth at Porteau Cove with a ferry? Wasn't the Tachek or QQII there at the berth, for the filming of the Double Jeopardy movie? It was the Tacheck in the film, and I believe that the time the Sea-to-Sky was washed out, they used the Nicola and Vesuvius Queen, not the Albion ferries. There was also another movie from long ago that featured the HSQ when she was still on the Bowen Island run.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 18, 2010 14:18:20 GMT -8
Off the top of my head I think the Cap is 85? You are correct.
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Post by whidbeyislandguy on Oct 21, 2010 13:10:48 GMT -8
Wasn't the Tachek or QQII there at the berth, for the filming of the Double Jeopardy movie? It was the Tacheck in the film, and I believe that the time the Sea-to-Sky was washed out, they used the Nicola and Vesuvius Queen, not the Albion ferries. There was also another movie from long ago that featured the HSQ when she was still on the Bowen Island run. Yes Mill Bay you are correct in part. Nicola and Vesuvius queen were both used but I know that the at-least one of the the Albion ferries was also used for atleast one day.. I was stuck in Whistler with my brother and mother. The was people we told to go was we were all given numbers that were given out in a lottery, and as soon as our number was called we'd go. My brother was a walk on and he went out on the Vesuvius queen. I went the next day on the Nicola, and 3 days later my mother came on one of the albion ferries. I think it was the klatawa. I just remember how small these boats where and when we'd get to HSB we felt even smaller..
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 21, 2010 21:27:23 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2010 21:35:54 GMT -8
Damn Translink, why do they have to scrap them? I guess I should get down there for some more pictures before the 'big day'... Good bye, old friends. Is there any chance that BCF might buy them for scrap prices and maybe replace one of their aging minor ferries? Or maybe the BCMoT? They could truck one up to replace an inland ferry. Does WSF need any new ships? Maybe back east? Might their hulls be kept and used as barges, and only the superstructure scrapped?
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Post by Dane on Oct 21, 2010 22:12:36 GMT -8
If the price of the Albion ferries drops to the value of scrap, vice the insane asking price that's been rumoured and linked from this thread than maybe there actually is a reason for BC ferries to acquire one - replace the Mill Bay. I do not, however, if financial realities would allow that. Plus the 250ml of fuel the Mill Bay burns everyday is hard to improve
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2010 22:23:38 GMT -8
You couldn't be serious. 250ml? No. My mom's Ford escape burns three times that or more on her daily commute...
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Post by NMcKay on Oct 22, 2010 8:39:28 GMT -8
It was the Tacheck in the film, and I believe that the time the Sea-to-Sky was washed out, they used the Nicola and Vesuvius Queen, not the Albion ferries. There was also another movie from long ago that featured the HSQ when she was still on the Bowen Island run. Yes Mill Bay you are correct in part. Nicola and Vesuvius queen were both used but I know that the at-least one of the the Albion ferries was also used for atleast one day.. I was stuck in Whistler with my brother and mother. The was people we told to go was we were all given numbers that were given out in a lottery, and as soon as our number was called we'd go. My brother was a walk on and he went out on the Vesuvius queen. I went the next day on the Nicola, and 3 days later my mother came on one of the albion ferries. I think it was the klatawa. I just remember how small these boats where and when we'd get to HSB we felt even smaller.. Would have been the klitsa or the Kahloke, the Kulleet and Klatawa have never been on contract work for BCF since they joined Albion
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Post by Neil on Oct 22, 2010 9:00:27 GMT -8
Damn Translink, why do they have to scrap them? I guess I should get down there for some more pictures before the 'big day'... Good bye, old friends. Is there any chance that BCF might buy them for scrap prices and maybe replace one of their aging minor ferries? Or maybe the BCMoT? They could truck one up to replace an inland ferry. Does WSF need any new ships? Maybe back east? Might their hulls be kept and used as barges, and only the superstructure scrapped? Aren't all your questions answered by the fact that these things were for sale for more than a year and nobody wanted them for anything? The Mill Bay actually uses 22 litres of fuel per round trip, which is astonishingly low. BC Ferries could replace her- and upgrade capacity- with Klitsa, when she's not filling in at Thetis.
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Post by Nickfro on Oct 22, 2010 10:40:37 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Oct 22, 2010 13:34:06 GMT -8
BC Ferries could replace her- and upgrade capacity- with Klitsa, when she's not filling in at Thetis. I was obviously joking about the fuel - but she does burn less than a rounding error's worth of fuel from a major vessel's daily consumption. Klitsa certainly could fill that role if BCF desired, and I imagine if they had any serious intentions of upgrading the vessel there it would have already happenned. That said the Kuper purchase was about bringing back some space minor vessel capacity to the fleet which had been dinminished from the excess of the 1990's down to nothing in the mid 2000s.
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Post by fargowolf on Oct 22, 2010 18:34:04 GMT -8
Terrible news guys and gals.... The Klatawa and Kulleet are to be scrapped.
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