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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 21, 2011 8:33:53 GMT -8
The card you have was likely taken by Frank Gowen, otherwise credit is usually provided, hand written in one corner. He was one of the more prolific photographers of the time. This would have been taken around the time the dock was constructed (1949) as the card, identified as "12" in the lower right corner, was published between 1938 and 1950 as identified by the backing (postcard one word, small lettering). I have a catalog compiled by Ron Souch, of all known Gowen, Sutton postcards, both real photo and collotype. BTW, book value for your card is $6.00  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 21, 2011 8:49:49 GMT -8
The card you have was likely taken by Frank Gowen, otherwise credit is usually provided, hand written in one corner. He was one of the more prolific photographers of the time. This would have been taken around the time the dock was constructed (1949) as the card, identified as "12" in the lower right corner, was published between 1938 and 1950 as identified by the backing (postcard one word, small lettering). I have a catalog compiled by Ron Souch, of all known Gowen, Sutton postcards, both real photo and collotype. BTW, book value for your card is $6.00 Thanks for the explanation, Darren. PS: - If you'd like to lend your expertise to a question that we had in the "Princess Louise" thread yesterday, I'd appreciate that. (it's re the similarity of a postcard to a photo in the BC Archives). |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 21, 2011 9:36:15 GMT -8
I'll take a peek at it..
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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 21, 2011 11:46:16 GMT -8
Since I didn't see a thread for the Princess Marguerite I.. an early Coast Publishing RPPC.... of note, they actually used this image for both the Marguerite and Kathleen..  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 22, 2011 22:26:09 GMT -8
A strange postcard from Gowen, Sutton, postmarked 1941. Strange in the relative scale of the 2 ships shown. - the small ship coming towards us in the foreground looks silly by how small she is, compared to the oversized ship in the background that's steaming under the Lion's Gate Bridge. A case of bad photo-shopping in the 1940s ? Here's the card:  The back is interesting, and has a King George VI stamp:  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 23, 2011 9:11:09 GMT -8
A couple of Photogelatine Engraving Company postcards of Victoria's harbour with the CP ships. - View from near the Legislature Building, - the 3-stacker is likely the Kathleen or Marguerite-I (based on the shape of her bridge, compared to the wider bridge of the Joan/Elizabeth) - Johnson St. bridge is not blue  View from the Empress Hotel. - Princess Joan/Elizabeth is the front 3-stacker on near side, with the Kathleen or Marguerite-I aft of her. Princess Victoria is the white 3-stack ship on the far-side of the wharf. - We've seen various slightly-similar versions of this scene. Perhaps the "3" at the bottom of the card means that this is "scene 3" of multiple shots from the same location?  Please fill in the details, if you wish.  |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 23, 2011 13:21:35 GMT -8
View from the Empress Hotel. - Princess Joan/Elizabeth is the front 3-stacker on near side, with the Kathleen or Marguerite-I aft of her. Princess Victoria is the white 3-stack ship on the far-side of the wharf. - We've seen various slightly-similar versions of this scene. Perhaps the "3" at the bottom of the card means that this is "scene 3" of multiple shots from the same location? Actually Mike, I am looking at a foldout viewset form P.E. Co., which has the same view. The ship at far left closest to land and causeway is the Charlotte (should be black above the wheelhouse, their interpretation is a bit off), the larger ship immediately to port on the harbor side is the Kathleen, and the smaller 3 funnel off the immediate stern is either the Joan or Elizabeth. Further out, near Bapco is indeed the Victoria, and from looking under a glass the single stack looks like the Alice. The number (3) that you mention, is the number of that particular card, in that particular series (in this case, Victoria and area). |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 23, 2011 14:18:11 GMT -8
I am looking at a foldout viewset form P.E. Co., which has the same view. The ship at far left closest to land and causeway is the Charlotte (should be black above the wheelhouse, their interpretation is a bit off), the larger ship immediately to port on the harbor side is the Kathleen, and the smaller 3 funnel off the immediate stern is either the Joan or Elizabeth. Further out, near Bapco is indeed the Victoria, and from looking under a glass the single stack looks like the Alice. The number (3) that you mention, is the number of that particular card, in that particular series (in this case, Victoria and area). Thanks very much. Much appreciated ! |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 29, 2011 13:28:29 GMT -8
RPPC of the C.P.R. terminal at Nanaimo, looks to be early 50's. No publisher, CKC stamp box...  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 29, 2011 13:30:40 GMT -8
RPPC: Royal Pygmy Petroleum Corporation? Google search tells me: RPPC: Real Photo Post Card |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 29, 2011 13:38:45 GMT -8
RPPC of the C.P.R. terminal at Nanaimo, looks to be early 50's. No publisher, CKC stamp box... It looks like the Atrevida is partially visible, at the left side of the CPR wharf. - she's the Gabriola ferry. She moved to Texada for May 1955, so that puts the date of this photo to be sometime early than that. (She served Gabriola between 1931-1955). |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Dec 29, 2011 13:41:27 GMT -8
Nice guess Mike  your google search yielded the correct term. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 3, 2012 9:57:45 GMT -8
The Evergreenfleet.com website has a new page for CP's Princesses. www.evergreenfleet.com/CPRSPLASH.htmlSome parts are still under construction, but it's worth your time to check this out. It looks to me like EGFleet's webpages for the old CP Princesses are now complete. - I enjoyed reading them last night. |
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Post by mrdot on Jan 3, 2012 11:57:33 GMT -8
:)I too have very much enjoyed perusing thru evergreen's fleet folio, and it is quite a vueing time! thank you for all your work on this medium! mrdot. |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Jan 4, 2012 5:56:30 GMT -8
There was also the Princesses Beatrice, May, Royal and Sophia? The latter having great significance (Vanderbilt Reef)
Steve, you have done a very nice job profiling!
Cheers,
Darren
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 4, 2012 6:14:08 GMT -8
There was also the Princesses Beatrice, May, Royal and Sophia? The latter having great significance (Vanderbilt Reef) Steve, you have done a very nice job profiling! Cheers, Darren There are several of the CPR ships I haven't covered yet...waiting until I have the photos in my collection to do so. And thank the late Mr. Gordon Newell for his history. I couldn't say it any better than he did, not to mention the fact he captured it as it was happening. |
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Post by mrdot on Jan 4, 2012 16:06:31 GMT -8
:)yes, once again congrats for a new look at the ontime magnificent CPR coast service! I still intend to get my brother to help me pass over some of my vast collection on this great pacific coastal venture. :)mrdot.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 12, 2012 8:51:29 GMT -8
On sale at EBay: this postcard  |
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 1, 2012 13:13:56 GMT -8
Here is a link the the CPR BC Coast Steamship Service schedule for the summer of 1954, courtesy of RR Horne's Flickr site. This covers CP's principal routes between Vancouver, Victoria & Seattle, as well as Victoria - Port Angeles, Vancouver - Sidney, & Vancouver - Nanaimo. Mr Horne has many other items of interest to those of us interested in west coast marine & rail history. www.flickr.com/photos/37908073@N04/6777598615/sizes/o/in/contacts/ |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 1, 2012 13:33:36 GMT -8
Here is a link the the CPR BC Coast Steamship Service schedule for the summer of 1954, courtesy of RR Horne's Flickr site. This covers CP's principal routes between Vancouver, Victoria & Seattle, as well as Victoria - Port Angeles, Vancouver - Sidney, & Vancouver - Nanaimo. Mr Horne has many other items of interest to those of us interested in west coast marine & rail history. www.flickr.com/photos/37908073@N04/6777598615/sizes/o/in/contacts/Has anyone ever met or contacted Mr. Horne, in terms our shared interest in things that he's photographed and presented on his Flickr? Just curious if he knows how appreciated his work is. |
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 1, 2012 14:42:31 GMT -8
Has anyone ever met or contacted Mr. Horne, in terms our shared interest in things that he's photographed and presented on his Flickr? Just curious if he knows how appreciated his work is. I have in the past used the 'comments' function on Flickr to thank Mr. Horne for his work, and have done so again today: www.flickr.com/photos/37908073@N04/6777598615/in/photostream/There are others on Flickr who also have posted lots of very interesting stuff connected with our rail/maritime history. One such individual is Mike Wilkie, son of the late Dave Wilkie. His Flickr site is at: www.flickr.com/photos/msdwilkie/ |
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Post by lancer on Feb 1, 2012 19:34:54 GMT -8
Regarding Boanerges item of 18 Dec. 2011, " Union Steamships' Cowichan".
This is actually a picture of the CPR-BCCS's "Princess Mary" before ahe was lengthened. I always thought that she looked much more attractive as built than after her conversion which seemed to have a jumped-up wheelhouse.
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Post by lancer on May 25, 2012 19:04:10 GMT -8
This vessel's name appears to me as "B.C.P." It is not a CPR BCCS vessel as it is registered in Vancouver and not Victoria. The B.C.P. is noted in John Mills' book, Canadian Coastal and Inland Steam Vessels, as follows: Built in Vancouver in 1908; O.N.:126082; 81' x 18'; 121 Gross Tons.
Rebuilt in 1922: 95 GT, probably as "Osprey VII".
Reengined to a motor vessel as "Le Mars" in 1936 and retired in 1967.
I think that B.C.P. probably stood for BC Packers.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 25, 2012 19:25:23 GMT -8
Here's the sequence: This vessel's name appears to me as "B.C.P." It is not a CPR BCCS vessel as it is registered in Vancouver and not Victoria. The B.C.P. is noted in John Mills' book, Canadian Coastal and Inland Steam Vessels, as follows: Built in Vancouver in 1908; O.N.:126082; 81' x 18'; 121 Gross Tons. Rebuilt in 1922: 95 GT, probably as "Osprey VII". Reengined to a motor vessel as "Le Mars" in 1936 and retired in 1967. I think that B.C.P. probably stood for BC Packers. Lancer Thanks for your work in sorting this one out, Mr. Lancer. Much appreciated. |
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Post by Variable Pitch on Aug 23, 2012 5:45:46 GMT -8
Hi Mike, It's actually the Princess Mary, as originally built. The funnel was very distinctive and was modified when she was stretched in 1914. Here is a scan out of one of my Robert Turner books for a comparison. Cheers!  |
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