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Post by timmyc on Mar 13, 2023 21:34:56 GMT -8
Surprisingly clean paintwork!
Do love the Ambassador III fast attack craft though.
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Post by inputrain on Mar 14, 2023 17:02:26 GMT -8
Surprisingly clean paintwork! Do love the Ambassador III fast attack craft though. I must say the the ships look clean for sitting 11 years in that yard |
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 14, 2023 19:25:53 GMT -8
I have my doubts that this photo is recent. There was a photo from about 6 months ago that went viral by someone from BC who happened to recognize them there during a layover in Alexandria, Egypt. The photo shows them in rougher shape, with windows broken, and overall were quite faded looking. They had also been tied up too close to each other, and their bridge wings appear to have come into contact with each other, causing major damage. This photo that I'm quoting also shows windows broken, and remnants of the DBC twin chute systems that had been deployed. It's only a matter of time that we'll see these sent for scrap, especially with the high price of aluminum right now. |
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Post by inputrain on Mar 15, 2023 18:22:40 GMT -8
May I ask.. what would the odds of them sinking be?
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Post by Charles on Mar 21, 2023 22:53:25 GMT -8
May I ask.. what would the odds of them sinking be? I don’t think anyone in this thread is really capable of speaking to the odds of those vessels sinking… Those vessels are half way around the world, why make wild speculation? |
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Post by inputrain on Mar 22, 2023 20:02:04 GMT -8
May I ask.. what would the odds of them sinking be? I don’t think anyone in this thread is really capable of speaking to the odds of those vessels sinking… Those vessels are half way around the world, why make wild speculation? Well the reason I think of it Is due to the fact that they sat for 19 years and still continue to sit and I thought some incident would happen or the aluminum would give in and also there is reports of them smacking into each other (explorer and voyager) And also I would think interior wise and engine wise it would be bad I don't remember where but someone said on the forum that north Vancouver allegedly might have changed the engines I don't know if its true. |
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Post by inputrain on Apr 12, 2023 20:13:20 GMT -8
The last time one of their engines were ever started was in 2005. Also in the most recent image a very obvious part of the Swiftsure restaurant is hanging out the window same with parts of the gift shop and some roof panels in the seascape lounge are hanging.
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Post by inputrain on May 5, 2023 10:37:40 GMT -8
Allegedly this is in the bridge from it being carried somewhere most likely the explorer or voyager
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Post by inputrain on May 5, 2023 10:38:52 GMT -8
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Post by roddy55 on Dec 2, 2023 9:47:54 GMT -8
Attached video is primarily a MTU advertisement, proportedly as a documentary. Engines are installed in a Fast-Cat ferry in the Mediterranean, that looks similar to to BC's vessels design... There are couple exterior scenes of MV Jean de La Valette, in video. Wiki en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Jean_de_La_Valette |
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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 4, 2023 23:55:03 GMT -8
Attached video is primarily a MTU advertisement, proportedly as a documentary. Engines are installed in a Fast-Cat ferry in the Mediterranean, that looks similar to to BC's vessels design... There are couple exterior scenes of MV Jean de La Valette, in video. Wiki en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Jean_de_La_ValetteI still find it fascinating how inefficant and ridicouls those engines were on the pacificats, according to a BC Ferries report one pacificat vessels wake pulling into departure bay is more than the wake of all 5 C-class ships combined! |
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Post by timmyc on Dec 10, 2023 19:14:02 GMT -8
What does the engine efficiency have to do with the ships' wake?
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Post by Departure Bay on Jan 11, 2024 17:05:16 GMT -8
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Post by donatotummillo on Jan 11, 2024 18:39:16 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 11, 2024 19:41:17 GMT -8
Pretty likely they will end up being scrapped. They've been sitting idle and not kept in good working condition for far too long now. Hope I'm wrong, though. |
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Post by donatotummillo on Jan 11, 2024 19:48:15 GMT -8
Pretty likely they will end up being scrapped. They've been sitting idle and not kept in good working condition for far too long now. Hope I'm wrong, though. I hope you’re wrong too! lol Also found out the price. $15 million for all 3. A fraction of what it cost to build them. Throw a few million more (or less, who knows) and there is a high chance these things could be usable as ferries again. |
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Post by Neil on Jan 11, 2024 20:37:35 GMT -8
Pretty likely they will end up being scrapped. They've been sitting idle and not kept in good working condition for far too long now. Hope I'm wrong, though. I hope you’re wrong too! lol Also found out the price. $15 million for all 3. A fraction of what it cost to build them. Throw a few million more (or less, who knows) and there is a high chance these things could be usable as ferries again. There's that famous adage about the best predictor of future behavior being what has been past behavior... it can be adapted in this case to point out that these boats have been sitting in the Middle East for twenty plus years, with no one interested in putting them in service. Yes, they're going cheap, but I'm guessing that significant aspects of their operational systems might be obsolete, or even illegal under current regulations. It's also possible that their engines haven't been fired up since they left BC. At the time they were built, they were probably qualitatively current with other vessels of their type. Thirty years on... it could be a very daunting prospect for any prospective buyer to put them into service. They're probably headed for the scrapyard. What a waste of metal, and engineering. I blame this far more on Gordon Campbell than Glen Clark; Campbell was willing to flush millions of dollars down the toilet to make a political point, rather than make the vessels work. |
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Post by donatotummillo on Jan 11, 2024 20:46:33 GMT -8
I hope you’re wrong too! lol Also found out the price. $15 million for all 3. A fraction of what it cost to build them. Throw a few million more (or less, who knows) and there is a high chance these things could be usable as ferries again. There's that famous adage about the best predictor of future behavior being what has been past behavior... it can be adapted in this case to point out that these boats have been sitting in the Middle East for twenty plus years, with no one interested in putting them in service. Yes, they're going cheap, but I'm guessing that significant aspects of their operational systems might be obsolete, or even illegal under current regulations. It's also possible that their engines haven't been fired up since they left BC. At the time they were built, they were probably qualitatively current with other vessels of their type. Thirty years on... it could be a very daunting prospect for any prospective buyer to put them into service. They're probably headed for the scrapyard. What a waste of metal, and engineering. I blame this far more on Gordon Campbell than Glen Clark; Campbell was willing to flush millions of dollars down the toilet to make a political point, rather than make the vessels work. Agreed, Campbell could’ve made a political statement by making them function, would’ve destroyed public perception of the NDP even more. But I digress. It is a shame that scrap is most likely the outcome for these three. They’re so unique, I’ve yet to see any other catamaran fast ferry that has dual car decks that are completely RO/RO via dual linkspan. |
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Post by Starsteward on Jan 11, 2024 20:50:13 GMT -8
There's that famous adage about the best predictor of future behavior being what has been past behavior... it can be adapted in this case to point out that these boats have been sitting in the Middle East for twenty plus years, with no one interested in putting them in service. Yes, they're going cheap, but I'm guessing that significant aspects of their operational systems might be obsolete, or even illegal under current regulations. It's also possible that their engines haven't been fired up since they left BC. At the time they were built, they were probably qualitatively current with other vessels of their type. Thirty years on... it could be a very daunting prospect for any prospective buyer to put them into service. They're probably headed for the scrapyard. What a waste of metal, and engineering. I blame this far more on Gordon Campbell than Glen Clark; Campbell was willing to flush millions of dollars down the toilet to make a political point, rather than make the vessels work. Agreed, Campbell could’ve made a political statement by making them function, would’ve destroyed public perception of the NDP even more. But I digress. It is a shame that scrap is most likely the outcome for these three. They’re so unique, I’ve yet to see any other catamaran fast ferry that has dual car decks that are completely RO/RO via dual linkspan. Check out the menu prices in the shot of the cafeteria! Now thems my affordable prices! |
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Post by Ollie on Jan 11, 2024 21:48:15 GMT -8
I think it's very unlikely for all 3 of the Pacific Cats to be saved if they are sold as a bundle. If they want to sell them, they should probably try and sell them individually instead.
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 11, 2024 23:37:59 GMT -8
Agreed, Campbell could’ve made a political statement by making them function, would’ve destroyed public perception of the NDP even more. But I digress. It is a shame that scrap is most likely the outcome for these three. They’re so unique, I’ve yet to see any other catamaran fast ferry that has dual car decks that are completely RO/RO via dual linkspan. Check out the menu prices in the shot of the cafeteria! Now thems my affordable prices! A Nanaimo Bar for $1.55CAD in 2000 seems very very cheap. |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jan 12, 2024 12:23:51 GMT -8
Was there any other vessel design consider building such as more Spirit Class vessels other than these vessels?
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Post by donatotummillo on Jan 12, 2024 13:36:12 GMT -8
Was there any other vessel design consider building such as more Spirit Class vessels other than these vessels? I have a feeling that if these were never built, we would’ve had 4 Spirit Class vessels and the other 3 Century Class that were slated to be built. Also probably would’ve had overpasses at all interchanges on the Nanaimo Parkway as well but I digress lol |
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Post by 1foot2ships on Jan 12, 2024 14:09:34 GMT -8
$20M isnt that much at all.
what??
- its 20 of u guys selling your houses?
- 33% of tn's jackpot?
i really hope somebody with big b###s comes up with a workable solution to employ these boats.
pipedream solutions?
- retiring coho and doubling capacity to PA?
- using these as shells for the C-class replacements?
- exclusive to rt3 as conventional ferries?
- northern routes to alaska?
- hawaii superferry again?
- repurpose as cdn navy supply ships?
- repurpose as hospital ships?
- home for bcf museum?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jan 12, 2024 14:23:00 GMT -8
Was there any other vessel design consider building such as more Spirit Class vessels other than these vessels? I have a feeling that if these were never built, we would’ve had 4 Spirit Class vessels and the other 3 Century Class that were slated to be built. Probably retired of Victoria Class and possibly the Powell River Class. I wonder if we would have seen the Coastal Class vessels? |
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