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Post by Scott on Jan 19, 2011 23:55:36 GMT -8
How about a run from Port Hardy to Rivers Inlet in the future? There is a Native community up there as well as numerous fishing resorts, but I doubt they're connected by road, so there may not be a huge potential there. Has anyone been there?
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jan 20, 2011 4:37:39 GMT -8
Google Maps of course does show some sort of route between the two - but we all know what that can be worth I've traced the route out on Google's satellite imagery. There's a cleared route--cleared in the sense that it's not overgrown with trees--but the route doesn't always follow the 'road' shown on Google maps. The basic route is from Port Mellon, Rainy Road FSR, unnamed FSR to McNab Creek FSR, unnamed FSR from the end of McNab Creek to Woodfibre FSR via just south of Henriette Lake, and then down Woodfibre FSR. I have no idea if this route is actually passable, however. The link between Rainy Road FSR and McNab Creek FSR does not officially exist on iMapBC even though at least one person has supposedly used it. No one seems to have tried the McNab Creek FSR to Woodfibre FSR connection; it may well be completely impassible or non existent. @excapg2: Where does the road from Woodfibre to near Henriette Lake end? It used to be possible to traverse on the route described, though, as I understood it at the time, it was not a very good road...read, 4x4 and a fair bit of experience in offroading required...and I never found the time to explore it myself. This was more than 10 years ago, so I can't comment on the condition of the roads today, though I do know some fairly hardcore wheelers who could probably answer the question. Edit: Here's a couple of 4x4 forum discussions about this very topic. bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?115453-Woodfibre-via-Squamishbb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?426-Port-Mellon-to-Squamish
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 20, 2011 7:14:33 GMT -8
How about a run from Port Hardy to Rivers Inlet in the future? There is a Native community up there as well as numerous fishing resorts, but I doubt they're connected by road, so there may not be a huge potential there. Has anyone been there? I've been to the 1st Nation there in 2003, a few different trips. Both were on a Grummon Goose from Port Hardy. - but for one return trip, there was a fog problem in Port Hardy, so I returned on a water-taxi (which was one of my all-time favourite boat-rides). The population up there doesn't warrent a new ferry service, and I think it's too out-of-the-way to be added to Route-40 (plus there's little tourist potential for ferry travellers for that area, based on how things are now). - fishers are already getting there by float plane. That won't change.
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Post by Starsteward on Jan 20, 2011 17:41:21 GMT -8
Would incorporating a Langdale - Departure Bay/return schedule into the exisiting routes between the Sunshine Coast, HSB and the Island make any sense? Obviously not all ships currently on those 2 routes could be used given their different characteristics but why clog up HSB with traffic ultimately destined for the mid-Island and South? And since many of our learned members are on a 'let's take a ferry to anywhere' discussion, why not toss in a passenger only ferry service between HSB and YVR and ah heck, let's toss in T'wassen and YVR. I agree with many other members who question why we have the inane belief that we have to funnel Everything through the already conjested streets of the peninsula of Vancouver City?
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 20, 2011 17:50:28 GMT -8
We could always tunnel the traffic UNDER Vancouver... it wouldn't be as fun a driving experience, but if it has to be done.....
Personally, I think the heyday of the automobile is on it's way out. Cars just take up too much space on the road, making them a really inefficient mode of transportation. Within a hundred years, we'll be seeing many major roads being replaced with people-movers of some type, capable of holding millions of humans in such a manner that they can get anywhere they need to both comfortably and safely.
Sadly, this would also mean the end of the car-ferry.
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Post by Starsteward on Jan 20, 2011 18:03:57 GMT -8
Your visions into the future are well taken CV but alas what would become of the 'Forum'?
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 20, 2011 18:24:21 GMT -8
Probably by then PC's would no longer exist, so the forum would exist in some virtual reality paper-thin device made of a 10x12 inch sheet of break-proof glass. I really wouldn't know, actually...
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 26, 2011 23:45:59 GMT -8
How would these triangle routes be? -Horseshoe Bay to Comox to Powell River and back to HSB. Reverse the order for each sequential trip. -Departure Bay to Langdale to Powell River and back to DPB. Reverse the order for each sequential trip.
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Post by Curtis on Nov 27, 2011 11:34:24 GMT -8
How would these triangle routes be? -Horseshoe Bay to Comox to Powell River and back to HSB. Reverse the order for each sequential trip. -Departure Bay to Langdale to Powell River and back to DPB. Reverse the order for each sequential trip. Your first idea would be a feasable one, but the demand probably wouldn't meet the costs. Your second one however doesn't make a lot of sense perhaps instead of Powell River, it should run to Comox. IMO though, these two Route ideas would work better as V Routes because the HSB-PR & Langdale-PR connections are moot when you consider the current connections for these locations are faster.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 27, 2011 14:36:16 GMT -8
On the subject of "dream ferry routes", the only one that seems potentially "do-able" is Route 1A: Tsawwassen-Village Bay-Swartz Bay. If BCF were ever to build some more Coastal Class vessels, or something of similar size for the mainline runs, perhaps one of the C Class vessels could be used for Route 1A, like Cowichan or Coquitlam. In such a scenario, Deck 4 would be used for TSA-SWB traffic, and Decks 2 & 3 could be used for Village Bay traffic, and perhaps some overheight Route 1 traffic, if space is available. The benefits I see for such a route are as follows:
1. It would alleviate Route 9 traffic loads, allowing that vessel to accommodate more traffic destined for other islands 2. It would definitely provide more service to Mayne Island 3. It would alleviate some of the Route 1 traffic loads
Such a route would probably only be necessary in the summer months, but this one seems more feasible than anything else proposed here, thus far. Of course, BC Ferries does not have the fleet capacity to do something like this right now, but maybe in the future?
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Post by Mike C on Nov 27, 2011 14:43:28 GMT -8
On the subject of "dream ferry routes", the only one that seems potentially "do-able" is Route 1A: Tsawwassen-Village Bay-Swartz Bay. If BCF were ever to build some more Coastal Class vessels, or something of similar size for the mainline runs, perhaps one of the C Class vessels could be used for Route 1A, like Cowichan or Coquitlam. In such a scenario, Deck 4 would be used for TSA-SWB traffic, and Decks 2 & 3 could be used for Village Bay traffic, and perhaps some overheight Route 1 traffic, if space is available. The benefits I see for such a route are as follows: 1. It would alleviate Route 9 traffic loads, allowing that vessel to accommodate more traffic destined for other islands 2. It would definitely provide more service to Mayne Island 3. It would alleviate some of the Route 1 traffic loads Such a route would probably only be necessary in the summer months, but this one seems more feasible than anything else proposed here, thus far. Of course, BC Ferries does not have the fleet capacity to do something like this right now, but maybe in the future? BCFS had mentioned, albeit a few years ago, the potential of running Routes 5/9 as a Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay service with stops along the way. They had also, a few times, run Route 1 service with scheduled stops at Village Bay, so this concept is definitely doable, and has been tossed around before. Berth 2(?) at Village Bay is designed to handle V-class vessels, and I think has space for upper vehicle deck loading ramp, although that's probably not necessary. It would be interesting to get some ridership numbers, regarding it's impact on alleviating Route 5/9 congestion. I believe it required a fifth boat on Route 1.
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Post by paulvanb on Nov 29, 2011 23:23:50 GMT -8
This would probably come under Translink, but a ferry from Dundarave to Spanish Banks/Endownment Lands would be handy for my work and for students to and from UBC.
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Post by elwha on Jan 24, 2012 17:06:36 GMT -8
I've always thought more of a Tsawwassen-Chamainus route.
The only problem is that Chemainus would have to be expanded. I can't really see that happening.
Also where would all the holding lanes go; what about the water depth (probably not a problem).
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 24, 2012 19:30:08 GMT -8
I've always thought more of a Tsawwassen-Chamainus route. The only problem is that Chemainus would have to be expanded. I can't really see that happening. Also where would all the holding lanes go; what about the water depth (probably not a problem). Most definitely not. Chemainus is already cramped as it is. They'd need to acquire land and build an entirely new terminal aways out of town. Also, they'd need to build a major road out of Chemainus, because as is, there's only two lane arterial roads heading in/out of town. All of that put together equals a big fat no from pretty much all parties involved.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 24, 2012 19:42:49 GMT -8
I've always thought more of a Tsawwassen-Chamainus route. The only problem is that Chemainus would have to be expanded. I can't really see that happening. Also where would all the holding lanes go; what about the water depth (probably not a problem). Most definitely not. Chemainus is already cramped as it is. They'd need to acquire land and build an entirely new terminal aways out of town. Also, they'd need to build a major road out of Chemainus, because as is, there's only two lane arterial roads heading in/out of town. All of that put together equals a big fat no from pretty much all parties involved. Another reason why it wouldn't be feasible: - Porlier Pass is too narrow with too many hazards.
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Post by paulvanb on Jan 24, 2012 20:10:15 GMT -8
Then I realized this is for BC Ferries. Oh well. Moderator Edit: Post in question moved to the MV Rhododendron thread in the WSF Ferries board.
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Post by elwha on Feb 1, 2012 19:40:54 GMT -8
I've always thought I might be a long drive between Strurdies Bay and northern Galiano Island so I thought it would be nice for BC Ferries to run a service between Chamainus and Proiler Pass at least four times a day each way either on an extra vessel on the Thetis/Kuper Island route or seek a new ferry (Howe Sound Queen size, anybody?). Many factors go into this, the cost of the Proiler Pass Terminal might be too much $$$$ to spend at the moment; but until then BC Ferries should consider this route.
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Post by Scott on Feb 1, 2012 20:21:18 GMT -8
I've always thought I might be a long drive between Strurdies Bay and northern Galiano Island so I thought it would be nice for BC Ferries to run a service between Chamainus and Proiler Pass at least four times a day each way either on an extra vessel on the Thetis/Kuper Island route or seek a new ferry (Howe Sound Queen size, anybody?). Many factors go into this, the cost of the Proiler Pass Terminal might be too much $$$$ to spend at the moment; but until then BC Ferries should consider this route. Then there would be the cost of building a road to Porlier Pass through a Provincial Marine Park Looking at a map, this might look like a possible route, but North Galiano isn't all that populated, and like I intimated, the road doesn't even reach the northern end. It ends in someone's driveway (might be a First Nations Reserve, I'm not sure) - last time I was there. PS. After reviewing the map, the road does get fairly close to the west end of Polier Pass (a bit farther north than I thought), but like I said, there's no population there to justify it.
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