the Flensburger Yard general-thread

[Low Light Mike]

With 4 BC Ferries newbuilds in various stages of design/construction/delivery in Germany, I thought it would be useful to have a separate thread for common items re the German shipyard.

FLENSBURGER SCHIFFBAU-GESELLSCHAFT
www.fsg-ship.de/

We can use this thread for Q&A and Discussion of items such as:
- webcams
- FSG website
- shipyard issues
- other FSG issues that aren't specific to 1 of the newbuilds

We can also use this thread to wonder why Flensburger has all these entertaining ferry-fan-items such as the webcam and the extensive website. (whoever is constructing the I-Class ship in BC likely doesn't have the same economies of scale with which to afford such public-relations items).

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I've also stickied the 4 separate threads for each of the 4 newbuild ships on this here page too....for your convenience.

[ferryrider42]

I’m also still blinking with disbelieve at how much happened on Monday. I knew we where going to see some speedy construction in Germany, but this was just over the top. The ability to pull off so many large tasks really highlights FSG’s ability to plan, coordinate, and stick to a schedule.

But as mentioned in other places, it would really be nice to have more information on the I-class vessel currently being built. It’s unfortunate, because right now it’s all but impossible to compare the two operations. For all we know, that I-class is moving along at an equally impressive place.

Even so, right now I still have to look at what just happened and admit that FSG is doing a superb job. So long as the product holds up once it enters revenue service, you have to suspect that FSG will be the favored contender for building any future large orders of boats. Those Germans’ are just too dang efficient to ignore em’.

[herrbrinkmann]

A colleague of mine, Mr. Hanno Falk, captured still images from our live cams and did animations of this over a certain period of time.
Therefore I opened a new section in my picasa:
picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/FSGVideos
where I put some of his videos.
They are unsorted and uncommented but nice to view.
Have fun.

[Northern Exploration]

Markus we know your yard is super efficient but even your company can't assemble ferries that quickly ;D Those are great, thanks to your colleague. Kinda like watching high speed ants.

[shipchandler]

the tents are up the yard is tidy so it`s time to party ............b.c.style i hope you have a great time today markus congrats to you and your co-workers on a job well done!!!

[herrbrinkmann]

Party will start in a few hours,
pics can be found tomorrow here:
picasaweb.google.de/markus.brinkmann/2192007BCBBQFSG

Thanks to you all for providing us with food and beer - we really need it, as it was a hard job on this first prototype.

[Dane]

An Olympic Celebration with no protests. Good thing you got documentation of that, it's truly one of a kind!

[Doug]

dane said:

An Olympic Celebration with no protests. Good thing you got documentation of that, it's truly one of a kind!

Can't say CTV wasn't implying any defamatory propaganda in their reports lately.

[herrbrinkmann]

If you are interested in ships built by Flensburger, just visit
www.shipspotting.com/
and enter "Flensburger" in the search field and you get a lot of pictures of FSG vessels.

[shipchandler]

i wish i knew how to do a screenshot of the building hall web cam, i saw some carolships going by the door of the now empty hall, it looked cool with the big doorway framing them as they wen`t by

[herrbrinkmann]

shipchandler said:

i wish i knew how to do a screenshot of the building hall web cam, i saw some carolships going by the door of the now empty hall, it looked cool with the big doorway framing them as they wen`t by

Just press the "Print" button on your keyboard (somewhere up-right).
Then open an image program like IRFANVIEW, which I recommend www.irfanview.com/
paste (CTRL-V) or from the menu,
then draw a box around the webcam image, then EDIT-->CROP and there you go.
Save it and upload it to e.g. imageshack.us
Good luck!

[shipchandler]

herrbrinkmann said:

shipchandler said:

i wish i knew how to do a screenshot of the building hall web cam, i saw some carolships going by the door of the now empty hall, it looked cool with the big doorway framing them as they wen`t by

Just press the "Print" button on your keyboard (somewhere up-right).
Then open an image program like IRFANVIEW, which I recommend www.irfanview.com/
paste (CTRL-V) or from the menu,
then draw a box around the webcam image, then EDIT-->CROP and there you go.
Save it and upload it to e.g. imageshack.us
Good luck!

thanks markus , but you are talking to a guy who can`t even cut and paste

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

Try this one. It allows you to select the area of the screen you want to capture and saves it in a picture format for you. Then you just have to resize if necessary and upload. One of many such products out there.
www.wisdom-soft.com/products/screenhunter.htm

[Ian]

Not a FSG question but do you happen to know where Meyer Werft is. I was on the MV Serenade of the Seas once and it was built there. Also does FSG build any cruise vessels.

[shipchandler]

bcinnj said:

Try this one. It allows you to select the area of the screen you want to capture and saves it in a picture format for you. Then you just have to resize if necessary and upload. One of many such products out there.
www.wisdom-soft.com/products/screenhunter.htm

thanks guys i`ll try em` both

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

royalcaribbean said:

Not a FSG question but do you happen to know where Meyer Werft is. I was on the MV Serenade of the Seas once and it was built there. Also does FSG build any cruise vessels.

www.meyerwerft.de/page.asp?main=0&subs=0&websub=m1s0&lang=e

Webcam:
www.meyerwerft.de/page.asp?lang=e&main=2&subs=0&did=826

[shipchandler]

looks like fsg`s gang have booked it for christmas, lights are out and not a creature was stirring............ not even herr mouse

[DENelson83]

Oh, BTW, did you know that Google Maps now has higher-resolution imagery of FSG?

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

herrbrinkmann said:

...our production is filled up 130%. At the moment working on vessel 734,735,736,737 and 748 in production and vessel 738, 748, 737 and two projects in design offices...

Markus,

I see Cobelfret's new vessels are different than the two FSG built previously. Is vessel 738 (Con-Ro 220 series) similar to the the Con-Ro 200 series?

I am guessing that the Bore vessels are also Con-Ro 200 ships given the specifications reported for them. And I also see they are ice class 1A. Is this a significant design change for you, or have you incorporated this type hull into this series already?

[Low Light Mike]

Here's a media story about the design process for the Super-C ships. This is as good a place as any to post this:
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tinyurl.com/269c6g

Teamwork in action
Special to the Sun
Friday, January 18, 2008

The design, construction and delivery of the Super C-class ships are overseen by a BC Ferries team onsite at FSG Shipyard in Germany. The core team headed by Captain Dale Phipps (Senior Master, New Vessel Construction), includes Walter Orb (Project Director), Brian Nerada (Senior Chief Engineer), and Andrew Martin (Engineering Superintendent). The team moved to Germany to be on hand throughout vessel construction. Other key personnel, including Jeff Davidson (Director, Retail Services), and Barbara Britton-Wilson (Director, Catering Operations) make frequent visits to oversee the development of internal design and amenities. Collectively, the team boasts 150 years of experience with BC Ferries.

Captain Phipps and his team started their involvement in the program in the fall of 2003 when a BC Ferries working group was formed to determine what was needed to rebuild the fleet. Debate ranged over the size and design of ships needed, the ports they should serve and the traffic types they would carry. Phipps was also involved in the exhaustive process of selecting the shipyard, describing the documents provided by the three finalists as being "...six to eight inches thick, each! Our team of 12 people reviewed and rated the finalists independently," Phipps said, "None of us knew what rating the others had given."

The finalists were required to visit B.C. and view BC Ferries' facilities and operations. As Phipps says,

"BC Ferries is a unique operation in many ways, seeing how we work was essential."

With the selection of Flensburger Schiffbau-Gesellschaft (FSG) as the builder, the team arrived in Germany to begin design work. "One of the first things to impress me about FSG was how forward-looking, and youthful the senior management team is," says Phipps. "They are on top of all the latest shipbuilding technologies."

Asked how much BC Ferries influenced the design, Phipps said, "We looked over their shoulders at every stage of design, pointing out where change was required to meet our operational needs, and they responded immediately, often with improvements of their own.

FSG learned how to make better passenger ships from BC Ferries, and BC Ferries learned about shipbuilding from FSG."

FSG was surprised to learn how quickly BC Ferries unloads and reloads its vessels. The 20 to 25 minute turnaround typical of BC Ferries' major ships is more commonly twice that long. Even the speed at which the bow doors open is a factor; FSG suggested savings by slowing the opening down from 4 minutes to 8 minutes, but that extra few minutes, accumulated over a full day's operation, simply added too much time.

"We also walked the talk about safety with these ships," says Phipps. "We learned from our experiences and included such things as separate fire proof compartments for the engines and remote control anchor releases from the bridge, neither of which is a standard feature."

"The entire experience in Germany has been wonderful for the entire team," Phipps says. "With full support from BC Ferries Board of Directors and the Executive Management Team, we were allowed to get on with our job without interference, and to use our professional knowledge to get the best results."

"FSG workers are very proud to have worked on the largest double-ended ferries in the world and on the first ships to have achieved the new ABS Comfort Class Plus certification."

"I think the first thing passengers will notice is the detail and quality of construction, everything is in place, everything fits, the lighting is bright and surfaces are smooth and shiny. The second thing will be the wide open spaces, both inside and out on deck, and the size of the windows. I can just imagine the view going through Active Pass!"

"Like everyone who was involved in bringing these ships to reality, I'm immensely proud of the final result. The high point was the launch of the Coastal Renaissance. To see the vision that began nearly four years before become reality, to watch it slide down the ways to the cheers of hundreds of children waving Canadian flags, to realize that we finally had a ship, well, there wasn't a dry eye in the house, certainly not mine."

© The Vancouver Sun 2008
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[queenofcowichan]

Hey, Did you hear about the Cargo ship fire this week off the Croation Coast?

Apparenlty the vessle that caught fire is the UND Adriyatik a turkish vessle that was built as Yard #714 at Flensburger. I thought the vessle looked famillar.

[Kam]

Have a look at

ferriesbc.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=otherna&action=display&thread=1197691397

[Low Light Mike]

Here's another multi-ship order for FSG:
tinyurl.com/34vbqc


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Seatruck Ferries orders new ro-ro vessels

Seatruck Ferries, the freight-only specialist has placed an order for four new generation ro-ro vessels with the leading German shipbuilder FSG (Flensburger Schiffbau Gesellschaft). These advanced vessels have a groundbreaking four-deck configuration. The design provides 151 trailer spaces in a length (o/a) of just 142m. The new ships will be fast, with a service speed of 21 kts.

The versatile new vessels are programmed for delivery during the November 2011 – June 2012 period. With a design draft of just 5.2metres, they will offer extreme operational flexibility. Decisions on how to deploy the new ships have yet to be taken. Options include Seatruck’s existing Irish Sea routes, linking Warrenpoint-Heysham and Dublin-Liverpool. This innovative design provides for the four decks to be connected by fixed ramps, with a single stern door. The new buildings will be powered by two 8,000 kW main engines. They will have two 1,000 kW bow thrusters and high lift rudders will enhance manoverability in confined areas.

Commenting on the order, Seatruck CEO Kevin Hobbs said: “We have reached an important stage in the rapid development of Seatruck’s operations and fleet. This new order doubles the newbuilding programme to eight ships. During 2008 we will take delivery of the first four 120 unit vessels, all from the Spanish builder Astilleros de Huelva. The first, Clipper Point, joins the fleet this month. Clipper Pennant, Clipper Pace and Clipper Panorama will follow during the course of the year.”
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[Hardy]

I wonder if this is the order that was in the pipeline when Markus was asking about the triple-deck loading ramps - sort of fits together in retrospect. I guess the costs for the terminal equipment and buildings was too much to justify the speedier unloading, and they have stuck with the tried and true fixed internal ramp system.

[herrbrinkmann]

hardy said:

I wonder if this is the order that was in the pipeline when Markus was asking about the triple-deck loading ramps - sort of fits together in retrospect. I guess the costs for the terminal equipment and buildings was too much to justify the speedier unloading, and they have stuck with the tried and true fixed internal ramp system.

No, it was not - we have more potential customers in the pipeline