Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 14, 2006 10:05:01 GMT -8
I think the fuel surcharge should only apply to passengers. For each passenger, not vehicles. Why have a surcharge for vehicles too.
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Post by hwy19man on Aug 19, 2006 15:30:10 GMT -8
I really hope that these sailings do not get cancelled. The 2245h sailing leaving Tsawwassen is important to islanders who go see the Canucks and or\Giants play as well as other events. The 2245h sailing leaving Duke Point is just as important. It sure helps for going to see the Seahawks and Sonics because it avoids an early morning wakeup and a long border lineup. And if you miss the first sailing on routes 1 or 2, you definitely will not make it to the game on time. The simple truth is that having the last sailing to Vancouver Island or the mainland at 2100h on Saturdays is too early.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 19, 2006 19:57:15 GMT -8
Right now the last sailing is 10pm on route 1 on Fridays Saturdays and Sundays.
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Post by Neil on Aug 21, 2006 11:29:47 GMT -8
Oh, Cascade, you rascal, you're always trying to pick a fight. I've sailed on the first and last sailings on that route a number of times. No reason to have empty ferries sailing back and forth on a Saturday evening. Everyone in Vancouver goes to bed after the Saturday night hockey game. May as well put resources elsewhere.
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Post by NMcKay on Aug 21, 2006 11:40:18 GMT -8
now whos trying to pick a fight. it has to do with numbers. it costs X to run the Boat, and Y is the revinue, if Y < X then the sailing should be cut. Y MUST BE >= X. nice math eh?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 21, 2006 14:49:09 GMT -8
now whos trying to pick a fight. it has to do with numbers. it costs X to run the Boat, and Y is the revinue, if Y < X then the sailing should be cut. Y MUST BE >= X. nice math eh? So that means that you would cut all (100%) of the Powell River Comox sailings, all (100%) of the Discovery Coast sailings, and all (100%) of the Q-Cumberland & Mayne Queen sailings? ------------------------------- ps: I challenge Mr. Cascade to not mention Hornbyguy in his posts, for the next 10 days. Are you up to the challenge? And I don't mean that you can take shots in a roundabout, no-names way....I really challenge you to not take shots for 10 days. Sorry if this forces a radical writing style change. But who am I to challenge anyone..... -----------------------------------
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Post by NMcKay on Aug 21, 2006 15:06:41 GMT -8
well. if the route doesn't make money, then its time to cut corners to bring it out of the red, if cutting 4 sailings on the PR run will fill up the other sailings, then that would bring it closer. and thats about all you have to do.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 21, 2006 20:44:40 GMT -8
Some people dont like full and packed sailings. I would rather have more sailings that and have less crowded ferries than less sailings and crowded ferries.
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Post by Dane on Aug 22, 2006 13:32:52 GMT -8
well. if the route doesn't make money, then its time to cut corners to bring it out of the red, if cutting 4 sailings on the PR run will fill up the other sailings, then that would bring it closer. and thats about all you have to do. Doesn't solve crew cost issues... minimum work time and the need for service to be provide over so much time of day.
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Post by NMcKay on Aug 22, 2006 15:33:05 GMT -8
but that has to do with the BC Governmetn contract, and the contract BCF Inc. has with BCFWMU
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Post by Dane on Aug 22, 2006 17:23:46 GMT -8
but that has to do with the BC Governmetn contract, and the contract BCF Inc. has with BCFWMU .....and BC employment standards..... the same would ring true for a Private ferry operator, they couldn't have crew come on and off ship unless they were salary or managment.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 29, 2006 14:52:13 GMT -8
No service notice about it or news release but according to RBI the 8:15pm and 10:45pm Saturday night sailings will be cut starting Oct 14th. RBI only shows this. Those sailings still appear on the schedules to be operating Sat nights from Oct 14th on. So starting Oct 14th the last sailings on route 30 will be 5:45pm which really seems early.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 29, 2006 17:25:35 GMT -8
Well with BCF cutting sailings, after doing that round trip to Texada, I think they may want to cut a round trip or two from that route due to the fact it is a money loser and one car on a trip to PR with only a few passengers is not enough to make a sailing IMHO. You could literally put the Mill Bay there and it would do fine.
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 19, 2006 19:57:25 GMT -8
Nanaimo Council balks at B.C. Ferries’ service cut
By Darrell Bellaart The news Bulletin Sep 14 2006
The city is writing B.C. Ferries to protest plans to cut the last two round trips between Duke Point and Tsawwassen on Saturdays over winter.
The move is a cost-saving measure, says B.C. Ferries.
City councillor Bill Bestwick calls B.C. Ferries’ move a failure to deliver on promised services.
Council gave a ringing endorsement to his motion to write a letter asking for improved, not reduced ferry service. The letter will remind B.C. Ferries the city wants to encourage more traffic onto the Duke Point-Tsawwassen route, away from the Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay route.
But B.C. Ferries said the cuts are justified.
“We’ve applied to the minister of Transportation to reduce service Saturday nights between Thanksgiving and Easter because use is really low – between 10 and 20 per cent utilized,” said Deborah Marshall, a B.C. Ferries spokeswoman.
“What we’re seeing is a maximum of two commercial vehicles.”
B.C. Ferries proposes cutting the 8:15 p.m. and 10:45 p.m. sailings on both sides, for an estimated saving of $250,000 in fuel and $100,000 in labour costs over 24 Saturdays.
“It also allows engineers to do more maintenance on those ships,” Marshall said.
But for travellers, there are no other sailings returning to Nanaimo at that time, Bestwick said.
Any cut to service is a blow, but David Petryk, executive director of the Tourism Association of Vancouver Island, said it’s not enough to sound the alarm.
“Frequency is always important and we’re always concerned about reduced frequency,” Petryk said.
“But we all have to accept that B.C. Ferries has a business to run. The fact it’s one day of the week through the off-season, I don’t think it’s going to have much impact.”
He said TAVI has to “choose its battles,” and this isn’t a battle the organization plans to wade into.
newsbeat@nanaimobulletin.com
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Post by hwy19man on Sept 20, 2006 14:54:45 GMT -8
If anything, those two sailings should be reinstated at Christmas holiday time on Sat. Dec. 23, 30, and Jan. 6
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 20, 2006 15:08:27 GMT -8
Really, if they want to cut the last two, it would be more beneficial to cut the 10:45 and the 5:15, what is the load on the 5:15 sailing on Saturday??
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 20, 2006 15:16:44 GMT -8
what is the load on the 5:15 sailing on Saturday?? Instead of staying awake till 3am on Saturday Morning, Get up out of bed early enough to see the CC page on the BCF website, to watch the Queen of Alberni and New Westminster leave for the 5:15am sailing, then report back to us about the load.
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Post by hergfest on Sept 20, 2006 18:59:00 GMT -8
We've been over this. They can't split those sailings cause the ships would end up on the wrong terminal for the nightly tie-up.
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Post by Neil on Sept 20, 2006 19:12:12 GMT -8
They certainly could cut the first and last sailings from both terminals and have the ships end up where they're supposed to be, but I think it's safe to assume they've looked pretty carefully at the numbers, and know it's the late sailings that have the lowest use.
Even the truckers aren't yelling much. CanWest isn't happy- now they won't have a 10:45 ferry to get the Sunday Provinces over to the Island. Guess they'll have to look at Seaspan's schedule.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 20, 2006 21:55:21 GMT -8
Again and again I keep having to say this Hergfest, if they cut the 5:15am the Alberni leaves from Duke Point at 7:45am then, 10:15am out of Tsawwassen 12:45pm out of Duke Point, 3:15pm out of Tsawwassen, 5:45pm out of Duke Point, 8:15pm out of Tsawwassen where she ends up back at Duke Point at 10:15pm, if they cut the 10:45pm too, so it can be done. I dont see why Hergfest keeps saying the ships will be on the wrong side. And vise versa for the New West.
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 20, 2006 22:09:18 GMT -8
I think he meant the ships wouldn't be at the right sides, if they cut the 5:15am, and the 10:45pm. I'm sure there was some controversy over, the cancellation of the 5:15 and the 7:45 on Sundays. But really, if you look at any routes, Saturday night and Sunday morning, are pretty much the low times of the Weekend. But hey, this gives the crew more time to do any sort of extra maintenance/drills on the ships. I look at it as being benificial to the ships. Remember, the ships only have 4 hours of down time during the week. Route 2 ships have about 7 hours of downtime, and Route 1 ships have about 5.5-6.5, of downtime, depending which ships at which time of the week.
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Post by hwy19man on May 11, 2007 14:34:54 GMT -8
Took me a while to find this thread as I like recycling threads.
It looks as if one round trip on route 3 has made the chopping block.
Effective September 4, the first round trip on Sunday mornings will not sail.
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Post by Dane on May 11, 2007 16:18:43 GMT -8
*****! I use that sailing for work.
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 11, 2007 17:48:18 GMT -8
Not after Sept you wont Dane! LOL!!!
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Post by kylefossett on May 11, 2007 21:58:53 GMT -8
Took me a while to find this thread as I like recycling threads. It looks as if one round trip on route 3 has made the chopping block. Effective September 4, the first round trip on Sunday mornings will not sail. and where did you get this info from? i have checked the RBI for a couple of different sundays in september and october and unless there was at one time a sailing from langdale to horseshoe bay before 6:20am then there is nothing being cut. in september and october the first sailing from langdale is 6:20 am
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