Vessel Placement once the Super C's arrive.

[nolonger]

TGTN.

[Mike C]

Terminator Goes To Nanaimo.

There was no context, I just guessed.

...wow, we're pretty good at this!

[Hardy]

notmuchlonger said:

TGTN.

I beleive, that in this context, it would be

T here
G oes
T he
N eighbourhood

IMHO, anyways

BWTFDIK ??

hehehe ;D

[D'Elete BC in NJ]

I guess that would be "Frig" to keep it PG

[NMcKay]

IMHO - In my Honest Opinion
BWTFDIK - But what the F*** do i know

[Hardy]

bcinnj said:

I guess that would be "Frig" to keep it PG

Could be *freak* too ... but why on god's green earth would we want this discussion in (P)rince (G)eorge??

hehehe

Sorry ...

[Political Incorrectness]

This is getting completely off topic, if you would like to go completely off topic, please feel free to resurect the why the sky is blue thread or make something in non ferries.

Now back on topic, we all know that the Super Cs are supposed to replace the Vs but will that happen? You may only free up around two Vs cause the New West would have to stay and maybe another for a spare, what would happen if a summer breakdown occured with no spare vessels? Might as well have one than none.

[Low Light Mike]

Thanks Political......but we're happily on our offtopic tangent, and there we will stay. The thread's original presentation was just begging for a short life and off-topic legacy, and by darn we are providing that.

[Low Light Mike]

Would "frig" be short for Frigate?



Or is it a nickname for a spot in Friggle-Rock?


silly-sarcasm is a legitimate form of forum civil disobedience

[hwy19man]

ferrymaniac101 said:

This is getting completely off topic, if you would like to go completely off topic, please feel free to resurect the why the sky is blue thread or make something in non ferries.

Now back on topic, we all know that the Super Cs are supposed to replace the Vs but will that happen? You may only free up around two Vs cause the New West would have to stay and maybe another for a spare, what would happen if a summer breakdown occured with no spare vessels? Might as well have one than none.

One V class vessel will retire for sure. As for the other two, a spare or two would help in the summer because we all know Murphy's Law will strike if BC Ferries is spareless.

[hergfest]

The Vancouver and Esquimalt are done, the Saanich might stick around.

[Fenklebaum]

flugelhorn said:

silly-sarcasm is a legitimate form of forum civil disobedience

I couldn't agree with you more, Flugel. As social resistance on a mass scale is seemingly non-existent in this day and age, the task falls to the individual. And when an individual (such as yourself) manages to question, to comment, to disobey and to rebel whilst retaining their sense of humour, they not only live their idealism as opposed to simply speaking it, but also inspire others to take up a torch of their own, be it the same or for another cause.

Fenk, applauding

[Dane]

I thought the Saanich was going to be first to go?

[hergfest]

Why would the Saanich be first? She was the last one to be updated.

[Dane]

hergfest said:

Why would the Saanich be first? She was the last one to be updated.

Hull condition as assessed when BCFS took over.

[Koastal Karl]

The Saanich sure is in better shape than the Esquimalt! Not sure what the Vancouver is like as I havent been on her since the summer!

[Hardy]

While I realize that it is not possible to keep suplus ships around, rather than disposing of them, would it not be a wise choice to perhaps MOTHBALL one additional vessel -- for just in case -- as has been mentioned, the inevitable unforseeable circumstances that always seem to pop up?

Having said this, the challenge would be finding a place to layup the vessel where it is not a speedbump for anything useful going on.

My two "ON TOPIC" cents worth

<accepting full blame for thread hi-jacking>

[Mike C]

moth-balling... hmm

This is a tough one for BC Ferries.

Let's look south for a sec. Washington State Ferries seems to have not trouble at all for mothballing their boats. Why? They have just as many spaces, but fewer boats.

Scooting northward now, BC Ferries has a variety of choices for short-term layup: Deas, Departure Bay, Tsawwassen, and for minor vessels, Blubber Bay on Texada. Long-term spots are hard to find (not unlike Tsawwassen Terminal parking lot . If BC Ferries builds a smaller facility, able to operate on smaller vessels at places like Tsawwassen or Departure Bay, than perhaps they can accomplish such.

[Hardy]

But you see the upside to this, yes? How long would it take to "re-commision" a mothballed ship? Month? Assuming that the right hand knows what the left hand is doing, and there is NOT a catrastrophic disaster or other such event, you can re-activate a ship out of mothball-ed status with enough notice to make the whole procedure worthwhile.

OTOH, perhaps medium-term lay-up would be a better answer until the operational characteristics of the new vessels are fully realized. Again, how long would it take to reactivate a ship from lay-up? I guess it depends on how "out of service" you take it ....

Thoughts? inputs? Anything?

[Scott]

There's usually lots of dock space on New Westminster's waterfront:)

[Fenklebaum]

admin said:

There's usually lots of dock space on New Westminster's waterfront:)

We all know what happens to old ferries mothballed along New Westminster's waterfront, though. I have a feeling that if they parked a boat there, she'd slowly make her way further up-river within a couple of years.

Fenk, predicting

[hergfest]

I bet WSF is glad they decided to mothball the Evergreen State instead of sell her.

[Northern Exploration]

Here is an idea, although likely half baked. BC Ferries is good at slicing and dicing its ferries. Cut off the hull of a ferry and install the superstructure at a prominant location as a museum to BC Ferries and Coastal travel. Highly impractical but nice to dream. And while I am at it another one could be used as the Swartz Bay equivalent to the Tswwassen Quay. You could explore the ferry while you wait for yours to arrive. lol.

More reasonable and seriously though would be to donate one of the ships to the artificial reef organization and sink it in one of the marine parks for divers to explore. Better than a breakers yard or sinking while being towed like some of the other ferries have ended up.

[Hardy]

The whole point that I was trying to make was to NOT let the condition of the ship get into a complete state of disrepair, so that it COULD be pulled out and stuffed back into service should the need arise. Winter (slow) season is refit season, so we have some of the old iron-horses now to run the routes. Cool. Summer is busy season and anything that floats and turns when commanded to gets put out on the routes with the exception of what is already in scheduled MLU or elsewise. So, if one is say broken, and there is a peak capacity expected, get one of the old girls ready, dress her up in a pretty party dress, buy her a corsage and stick her on the dance floor! Labour Day weekend comes up where having a "spare floater" to stick on whichever route is the MOST backed up would probably fly.

I would imagine that a ferry is much like a truck. If it sits idle too long, things decay and start to waste away. Run it a little every now and again, move it around some, have a skeleton crew turn on lights, test equipment, check for hidden damage - once or twice a month. Otherwise leave it up alongsides someplace. "Check the air in the tires, dump some fuel stabilizer in the tank and lift the wiper blades off the windows" is the trucking equivalent. "Check the fluids, crank it over, drive it around the block, hit all the gears, test the brakes, pull it in" That's how the "back-up fleet" program goes once a month when I had mothballed but useable equipment.

Is this feasible in the ferry world? I am a relative newbie, edu-mak-kate me ...

[Coastal Canuck]

I fixed it up this time...

Route 1: Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay
-Coastal Celebration (Primary, Tsawwassen)
-Spirit of Vancouver Island (Primary, Swartz Bay)
-Spirit of British Columbia (Secondary, Swartz Bay)
-Queen of Coquitlam (Secondary, Tsawwassen)

Route 2: Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay
-Coastal Inspiration (Primary, Departure Bay)
-Coastal Renaissance (Primary, Horseshoe Bay)
-Queen of Cowichan (Secondary, Departure Bay)

Route 3: Horseshoe Bay-Langdale
-Queen of Surrey (Primary, Langdale)
-Queen of Oak Bay (Secondary, Langdale, Summer)

Route 4: Swartz Bay-Fulford Harbor
-Mayne Queen (Primary, Fulford Harbor)
-Tachek (Secondary, Swartz Bay, Summer [also on Route 5])

Route 5: Swartz Bay-Southern Gulf Islands
-Queen of Capilano (Primary, Swartz Bay Summer)
-Bowen Queen (Primary, Swartz Bay Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Queen of Cumberland (Primary, Swartz Bay)
-Tachek (Secondary, Swartz Bay, Summer [also used on Route 4])

Route 6: Crofton-Vesuvius
-Howe Sound Queen (Primary, Vesuvius)

Route 7: Earls Cove-Saltery Bay
-Queen of Capilano (Primary, Saltery Bay Fall, Winter, Spring)
-New I Class Vessel (Primary, Saltery Bay Summer)

Route 8: Horseshoe Bay-Bowen Island
-Skeena Queen (Primary, Horseshoe Bay)
-Klista (Secondary, Horseshoe Bay Summer)

Route 9: Tsawwassen-Southern Gulf Islands
-Queen of Nanaimo (Primary, Salt Spring Island)
-Queen of Tsawwassen (Secondary, Tsawwassen, Summer)

Route 10: Port Hardy-Prince Rupert
-Northern Expedition (Primary, Port Hardy, Summer)
-Northern Adventure (Primary, Prince Rupert, Fall, Winter, Spring [also on Route 11])
-Nimpkish (Secondary, Bella Bella, Fall, Winter, Spring)

Route 11: Prince Rupert-Skidegate-Port Hardy
-Northern Adventure (Primary, Prince Rupert)

Route 12: Brentwood Bay-Mill Bay
-Mill Bay (Primary, Brentwood Bay)

Route 17: Powell River-Comox
-Queen of Burnaby (Primary, Comox)

Route 18: Powell River-Texada Island
-Tachek(Primary, Texada Island, Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Bowen Queen (Primary, Texada Island, Summer)

Route 19: Nanaimo Harbor-Gabriola Island
-Quinsam (Primary, Gabriola Island, Summer)
-Quinitsa (Primary, Gabriola Island, Fall, Winter, Spring)

Route 20: Chemainus-Thetis Island-Kuper Island
-Klista (Primary, Winter)
-Kahloke (Primary, Summer)

Route 21: Buckley Bay-Denman Island
-Quinitsa (Primary, Denman Island, Summer)
-Kuper (Primary, Denman Island, Fall, Winter, Spring)

Route 22: Denman Island-Hornby Island
-Kuper (Primary, Hornby Island-Summer)
-Kaloke (Primary, Hornby Island-Fall, Winter, Spring)

Route 23: Campbell River-Quadra Island
-Powell River Queen (Primary, Quadra Island)

Route 24: Quadra Island-Cortes Island
-Tenaka (Primary, Cortes Island)
-Nimpkish (Secondary, Quadra Island, Summer)

Route 25: Port Mcneill-Cormorant Island-Malcom Island
-Quadra Queen II (Primary, Cormorant Island)

Route 26: Alliford Bay-Skidegate
-Kwuna (Primary, Alliford Bay)

Route 30: Tsawwassen-Duke Point
-Queen of New Westminster (Primary, Tsawwassen)
-Queen of Alberni (Primary, Duke Point)

Route 40: Discovery Coast
-Northern Discovery (Primary, Port Hardy, Summer)

Extra Vessels
-New I Class (Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Northern Discovery (Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Northern Expedition (Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Queen of Oak Bay (Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Queen of Tsawwassen (Fall, Winter, Spring)
-Quinsam (Fall, Winter, Spring)

note- this is considering all the V class retired and the Northern Island Princess but not the Queen of Tsawwassen.

If you don't think the 2 vessel's on the Texada route will work for dock reasons then I present to you

Powell River dock- overnight-7:00 Nimpkish, 7:35-7:45 Bowen Queen, 7:50-8:10 Queen of Burnaby, 8:35-9:00 Nimpkish, 9:35-9:55 Bowen Queen, 10:35-11:00 Nimpkish, 11:15-11:25 Bowen Queen, 11:30-12:00 Queen of Burnaby, 12:35-13:00 Nimpkish, 13:05-13:30 Bowen Queen, 14:35-15:00 Nimpkish, 15:05-15:30 Bowen Queen, 16:20-16:30 Nimpkish, 16:35-17:15 Queen of Burnaby, 17:20-17:30 Bowen Queen, 18:05-18:30 Nimpkish, 19:05-19:30 Bowen Queen, 20:05-20:30 Nimpkish, 20:35-20:45 Queen of Burnaby, 21:05-21:30 Bowen Queen, 22:05-overnight Nimpkish.

Comox Powell River

6:30 8:10

10:10 12:00

15:15 17:15

19:15 20:45


Texada Island Powell River

7:00 7:00
8:00 7:45
9:00 9:00
10:00 9:55
10:40 11:00
12:00 11:25
12:30 13:00
14:00 13:30
14:30 15:00
15:45 15:30
16:45 16:30
17:30 17:30
18:30 18:30
19:30 19:30
20:30 20:30
21:30 21:30


Texada Dock- overnight-7:00 Bowen Queen, 7:35-8:00 Nimpkish, 8:20-9:00 Bowen Queen, 9:35-10:00 Nimpkish, 10:30-10:40 Bowen Queen, 11:35-12:00 Nimpkish, 12:00-12:30 Bowen Queen, 13:35-14:00 Nimpkish, 14:05-14:30 Bowen Queen, 15:35-15:45 Nimpkish, 16:05-16:45 Bowen Queen, 17:05-17:30 Nimpkish, 18:05-18:30 Bowen Queen, 19:05-19:30 Nimpkish, 20:05-20:30 Bowen Queen, 21:05-21:30 Nimpkish, 22:05-overnight Bowen Queen.

If you still have any question's feel free to ask