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Post by Cosmic Ray on Aug 16, 2007 9:51:54 GMT -8
This how I would position the fleet for the 2008 summer season. Tsawwassen-Swartz BayCoastal Celebration. Spirit of British Columbia. Spirit of Vancouver Island. Queen of Oak Bay. Queen of New Westminster* (*Via Village Bay) Tsawwassen-Duke Point.Coastal Inspiration. Queen of Alberni. Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay Coastal Renaissance. Queen of Coquitlam. Queen of Cowichan. Queen of Saanich*. (*Operating out of Langdale Thurdays-Holliday Mondays) Horseshoe Bay-Langdale.Queen of Surrey. Queen of Saanich*. (*Also Operating on Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay route Thurdays-Holliday Mondays) Swartz Bay-Fulford Harbour.Skeena Queen. Swartz Bay-Outer Gulf Islands.Bowen Queen. Queen of Cumberland. Queen of New Westminster* (*Stops at Village Bay on route to either Swartz Bay or Tsawwassen.) Crofton-Vesuvius.Howe Sound Queen. Earls Cove-Saltery Bay.Island Serenity. Tsawwassen-Gulf Islands.Queen of Nanaimo. Queen of New Westminster* (*Stopping at Village Bay on route to either Swartz Bay or Tsawwassen.) Port Hardy-Prince Rupert.Northern Adventure. Prince Rupert-Queen Charlottes.Queen of Prince Rupert. Mill Bay-Brentwood Bay.Mill Bay. Comox-Powell River.Queen of Burnaby. Powell River-Texada.Mayne Queen. Nanaimo Harbour-Gabriola.Quinsam. Chemainus-Thetis-Kuper.Kuper. Buckley Bay-Denman.Quinitsa. Denman-Hornby.Kahloke. Campbell River-Quadra.Powell River Queen. Quadra-Cortes.Tachek. Port McNeill-Alert Bay-Sointula.Quadra Queen II. Skidegate-Alliford Bay.Kwuna. Port Hardy-Mid-Coast.Queen of Chilliwack. Store serviceable.Klitsa. Nimpkish. In drydock for major refits.North Island Princess. Tenaka. Retired from service.Queen of Esquimalt. Queen of Tsawwassen. Queen of Vancouver. Cosmic Ray
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Aug 17, 2007 9:29:41 GMT -8
I never thought of that. However I have never heard of the Island Serenity. and I would also think the Tenaka would be on the Cortes route not the Tachek, also the Queen of Oak Bay is to be staying at Horseshoe Bay so the Queen of Coquitlam would be on the Tsawwassen Swartz Bay route.
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Post by Mike C on Aug 17, 2007 9:42:52 GMT -8
Island Serenity = new I class.
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Post by Cosmic Ray on Aug 18, 2007 0:10:19 GMT -8
I never thought of that. However I have never heard of the Island Serenity. and I would also think the Tenaka would be on the Cortes route not the Tachek, also the Queen of Oak Bay is to be staying at Horseshoe Bay so the Queen of Coquitlam would be on the Tsawwassen Swartz Bay route. The Island Serenity is what I'm calling the new I class vessel untill she gets a real name. The Tenaka along with the North Island Princess would be in drydock for the summer getting major work done on their engines and hulls. The Mayne Queen will take over on the Taxada run and the Tachek on the Cortes run for the suumer months. Sorry in thought that the Queen of Oak Bay has moving to the Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay route, But it's in fact the Queen of Coquitlam. Too bad the Oak Bay is a better ship. Cosmic Ray
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Aug 19, 2007 16:00:13 GMT -8
I never thought of that. However I have never heard of the Island Serenity. and I would also think the Tenaka would be on the Cortes route not the Tachek, also the Queen of Oak Bay is to be staying at Horseshoe Bay so the Queen of Coquitlam would be on the Tsawwassen Swartz Bay route. The Island Serenity is what I'm calling the new I class vessel until she gets a real name. The Tenaka along with the North Island Princess would be in drydock for the summer getting major work done on their engines and hulls. The Mayne Queen will take over on the Taxada run and the Tachek on the Cortes run for the suumer months. Sorry in thought that the Queen of Oak Bay has moving to the Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay route, But it's in fact the Queen of Coquitlam. Too bad the Oak Bay is a better ship. Cosmic Ray I may be mistaken but I believe last winter when the Tenaka was removed from service and the Nimpkish went into service the Tenaka had a major refit.
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Post by Cosmic Ray on Aug 20, 2007 9:16:17 GMT -8
[/quote]I may be mistaken but I believe last winter when the Tenaka was removed from service and the Nimpkish went into service the Tenaka had a major refit.[/quote] So my plan for 2008 will change, the Tenaka will remain at Cortes for the summer. Still the NIP (North Island Princess) needs major work on her engines (at total rebuild) and hull (complete stripping and painting of her hull inside and out.). With her unusual catamaran hull, the hull work will take any where up the four months. The deer hunting season on Taxada starts in mid-September (with the doe season starting six weeks later.) and the last thing the Westview terminal agent wants to deal with is how to tell a bunch of men with hunting rifles (and a few beers in them) when they find out that they can’t get on the next sailing, because they are using the 30 car Tachek and not the 48 car NIP. Cosmic Ray.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 20, 2007 9:22:52 GMT -8
Actually, the NIP was supposed to be retired this year according to the Coastal Ferry Services ACT. She is also I believe the second oldest in the fleet to the Mill Bay and she is going to have to go soon. The Tachek might be permanently assigned along with the Nimpkish unless she will do the mid coast destinations the NorAd cannot get.
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Post by Cosmic Ray on Aug 21, 2007 8:40:19 GMT -8
Actually, the NIP was supposed to be retired this year according to the Coastal Ferry Services ACT. She is also I believe the second oldest in the fleet to the Mill Bay and she is going to have to go soon. The Tachek might be permanently assigned along with the Nimpkish unless she will do the mid coast destinations the NorAd cannot get. The NIP had new engines installed in the fall of 2003. Now her retirement had been moved back till 2013. Still the Tachek and Nimpkisk are are parked at Blubber Bay (When they are not being used.) as back ups to the NIP. Cosmic Ray
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Post by Nick on Aug 23, 2007 15:39:51 GMT -8
The NIP is going in for refit this winter and is having major steel work done on her hulls. This is to extend her service life for another 10 years.
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Post by Neil on Aug 23, 2007 16:22:08 GMT -8
Some interesting reading: This is the Coastal Ferry Services Contract Amendment. Beginning about page 10, you get a description of every route with what is apparently the vessel placement for next summer. Note: the Queen of Alberni and Queen of Cowichan on route 30. Also here is the crewing requirements for each boat. Why does the 'Surrey require 26 on the Langdale route, when the 'Coquitlam requires 34, with virtually the same capacity? www.bcferrycommission.com/CFSContractAmendmentJune2007.pdf
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Post by Balfour on Aug 23, 2007 17:13:51 GMT -8
I find it interesting that they have the Queen of Cowichan listed for both routes 2 and 30. My best guess is that if the experiment with the Coastal Inspiration being on rte 30 doesn't work out, they will send the Cowichan over to Duke.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 23, 2007 18:33:30 GMT -8
Some interesting reading: This is the Coastal Ferry Services Contract Amendment. Beginning about page 10, you get a description of every route with what is apparently the vessel placement for next summer. Thanks for posting that. This is a great resource for us nerdy folks. ---------------------- The agreement (and you can't get a much more official source of info than from this type of agreement) confirms a number of items (or re-confirms in an official manner): - new ships are called "Coastal" not Super-C. - placement of the 3 Coastals --------------------------- Other items that I was interested in: - The Route-2 Coastal ship is shown to have a buffet, but that's likely a cut/paste error, because the inclusion of the buffet is likely to be the dissimilarity between the 3 Coastals. - The NorAd's cafeteria is described as a "self service restaurant". spin spin spin - Klitsa is listed as a Mill-Bay route vessel. - Here's a comment re Tenaka's required crew-size of 8: Vessel normally operates with a reduced passenger license for 150, requiring a crew of six. The higher crew level (of 8) is required because Transport Canada classifies these waters similar to those experienced in a Strait of Georgia crossing.
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Post by Dane on Aug 24, 2007 8:55:57 GMT -8
Also here is the crewing requirements for each boat. Why does the 'Surrey require 26 on the Langdale route, when the 'Coquitlam requires 34, with virtually the same capacity? I believe, although it has been awhile that 34 is A, and 26 is B License? I'll be on a C next week to take a Boo. Also interesting to note a lot of errors in the contract, i.e. it's updated to include Coastals but fails to make note of the modifications to the S Class (still listing the Coffee Bar on the Van Isl), and also lists the maximum potential capacity of vessels even though several cannot actually carry the capacity listed. It is a relief to see a fairly normal vessel placement in the contract though, the Q of NW still seems out of place though... but that doesn't really matter. -- The Klitsa is listed as being on the MIll Bay's current run... did I miss something when I was away?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 24, 2007 10:58:26 GMT -8
I think you missed the part on what route it was on. Klista still says Thetis Kuper route.
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Post by Dane on Aug 24, 2007 17:09:33 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 24, 2007 17:12:39 GMT -8
I think you missed the part on what route it was on. Klista still says Thetis Kuper route. But in the part where it describes the Mill Bay - Brentwood Bay Route, there are 2 ships listed, and one is the Klitsa.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 24, 2007 17:20:53 GMT -8
I just found that out. I never cared to look at the PDF link. What I do not get is why are they downsizing Route 30's truck capacity. Is the Mill Bay route that popular or is the Mill Bay going to be retired and the Klista take her spot since the Tsawwassen is mentioned on Route 7?
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Post by Nick on Aug 25, 2007 10:05:07 GMT -8
Could they just be saying that the klitsa fits the mill bay berths, and therefor could potentially fill that route?
Also, the Mill Bay is getting old (built in '56) and will eventually need to be replaced. The K-class barges tend to be quite fuel efficient, so maybe they are contemplating replacing the Mill Bay with her, rather than build a new vessel (or buy another one from Utah). Also, that route is getting to be more and more popular. I haven't been on a sailing less than half full for a very long time.
The Klitsa is not really needed now that they have the Kuper, and when I was on it last month in Deas she had brand new (less than 1 hour) generators, and the Chief engineer was saying she would be getting new main engines too. I don't see where else they could be using her that would warrant putting that kind of money into her.
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Post by bpawlett on Aug 25, 2007 10:20:10 GMT -8
Im new to the forum, heres my take on the vessel placement departure bay- horeshoe bay Coastal renaissance queen of oak bay queen of coquitalm queen of cowichan (supplementry for langdale and departure bay)
Duke point- tsawassen Coastal inspiration Queen of alberni
Tsawassen- swartz bay Spirit of bc spirit of vi coastal celebration queen of new west
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Post by Nucksrule on Aug 26, 2007 10:08:12 GMT -8
Im new to the forum, heres my take on the vessel placement departure bay- horeshoe bay Coastal renaissance queen of oak bay queen of coquitalm queen of cowichan (supplementry for langdale and departure bay) Duke point- tsawassen Coastal inspiration Queen of alberni Tsawassen- swartz bay Spirit of bc spirit of vi coastal celebration queen of new west Id agree, but the queen of coquitlam should be the extra ferry for horshoe bay to langdale. and also when will horshoe bay - langdale get another permanent vessel for hourly sailings?
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Post by Doug on Aug 26, 2007 23:20:42 GMT -8
Island Serenity = new I class. Actually it's been announced that the official name for the ship is the "White Spot Inlet Crosser"....
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Post by Northern Exploration on Aug 27, 2007 7:12:50 GMT -8
That would become instantly my favourite ferry. Since it will be on shorter runs how about restarting the White Spot drive in. Car hops could deliver the Triple O's right to the cars. Does anyone else remember the long skinny green trays that would stretch right across the car from the drivers window to the passenger window. The burgers would come on unbreakable melamine plates. I would imagine that would increase food sales dramatically .
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Post by bpawlett on Aug 27, 2007 17:55:31 GMT -8
I guess the coq would be a good fit on the lang/H.B./departure.B triangle, since it has been running that route for a few years now, it would be nice to have hourly service on the langdale/HB run in the summer/holiday season, maybe they should midlife the saanich and use it on the langdale route or slice and dice the nanaimo, that would be cool, and use it, build a new "I" class for the tsawwassen/gulf islands, this is a little far fetched i think though.
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Post by Mac Write on Aug 30, 2007 9:49:19 GMT -8
Saanich is due to be scrapped within a year or two, though same with the Naniamo last year but a $14M upgrade extended her life 10 years.
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