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Post by kieran on Jan 3, 2007 14:49:22 GMT -8
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Post by oceaneer77 on Jan 3, 2007 17:32:12 GMT -8
The application of the modified SOLAS 90 standard to existing ships means that a large part of the world's ro-ro fleet will have to be altered. In some cases the changes could be extensive and the high cost involved could lead to some of them being scrapped and replaced with new tonnage.
Right out of the solas book!!
If you like the old ships you had better ride them quick!
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Post by Queen of Vancouver on Jan 3, 2007 22:21:28 GMT -8
Thanks Chris!! I don't get home in time from my commute to watch so that was great! I fail to see how D. Hahn thinks that naming SONIA "The Spirit of Hartley Bay" would hurt them [BCFS] in the long run. Would anyone not sail on a ship because of they didn't like the name? Especially one with all those yummy amenities? As much as I know any new ship built or bought for BCF can not start with Spirit of, or Queen of.
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Post by Neil on Jan 3, 2007 22:49:30 GMT -8
Oceaneer's comment about old boats deserves to be emphasised.
This truly is the last era in history where you can ride old ferries. New marine regulations mean that, twenty five years from now, you will not be riding the dear old Spirit of BC, well into her MLU'ed second life. There will be no quirky little antiquated North Island Princesses. Everything older than about fifteen years will probably be sent to Asia or Africa. Enjoy strolling the washboard outer decks of the rusty old V's while you can, because, before long, everything will be much more standardised, somewhat safer, but lacking a lot of the character that we find in our eccentric old fleet.
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Post by oceaneer77 on Jan 4, 2007 4:58:37 GMT -8
Yes Hornby guy..
The last seas confrence i went to we had a dissusion with solas about the age of vessels.. the new goal is to reduce the worlds commercial fleet age to 15 years service life! This will be acomplished thru more surveys for vessels when they reach thier 10 and then their 15th birthday.. I imagine with the amount of ships on the market the only place for our old ferries will sadly be the the breakers yard..
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 4, 2007 7:01:54 GMT -8
BCF regulations have seemed kinda vague for many years. I remember the 1970 Q Victoria collision with a Russian freighter that killed three passengers on the car deck; after that, BCF required that all auto passengers go topside during voyages on the larger boats. Ah ha! This explains why I have people always asking me if it is okay if they can take their duty free loot down to their cars when we are underway! I've often wondered if BC Ferries had some sort of policy--I know that Black Ball won't let people down on the car deck either on the Coho but I'd never heard if there was some official rule on BC Ferries (and when asked people were always somewhat vague about where they heard they couldn't go down to their cars.)
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Post by Kam on Jan 5, 2007 9:37:24 GMT -8
There are still people who sit in their cars on the mainland routes. Just the other day on the Queen of Esquimalt on route 2 there were people sitting in their cars for the whole trip. Often I’m one of them. By the time I get back on the ferry home I’m so tired and cranky all I want to do is curl up in the privacy of my car and take a nap. And besides, I think I’m doing the public a service by staying in my car. No one wants to have me snoring up on the passenger deck! LOL!! Don’t get me wrong, I love to wander the ships and explore. But the Queen of Cowichan loses it’s fascination past the 10,000th trip on her.
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Post by ProudCanuck on Jan 5, 2007 10:07:52 GMT -8
There are still people who sit in their cars on the mainland routes. Just the other day on the Queen of Esquimalt on route 2 there were people sitting in their cars for the whole trip. Often I’m one of them. By the time I get back on the ferry home I’m so tired and cranky all I want to do is curl up in the privacy of my car and take a nap. And besides, I think I’m doing the public a service by staying in my car. No one wants to have me snoring up on the passenger deck! LOL!! Don’t get me wrong, I love to wander the ships and explore. But the Queen of Cowichan loses it’s fascination past the 10,000th trip on her. I agree with every point you made here!
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Post by Neil on Jan 5, 2007 13:25:41 GMT -8
kam & proud canuck: Careful. Around here, saying that you don't always have fun on ferries is like admitting that you enjoy kicking puppies. But I'm with you, sometimes, particularly on the 5:15am to Duke Point, or on a rainy afternoon coming back. cascade: I've always wondered- what is a "though"? Is it like a thought, but not quite? And did you have a drowning nightmare last night?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 5, 2007 21:27:25 GMT -8
I never sit in my car on the car deck. I figure it's a waste of a ferry trip sitting in your car. I would rather sit upstairs in the lounge if it's not crowded and relax or roam the ship. Is a lot more fun than hiding down in your car! lol!
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Post by ProudCanuck on Jan 6, 2007 15:54:05 GMT -8
kam & proud canuck: Careful. Around here, saying that you don't always have fun on ferries is like admitting that you enjoy kicking puppies. But I'm with you, sometimes, particularly on the 5:15am to Duke Point, or on a rainy afternoon coming back. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy taking the ferries. Ferry travel has been a part of my life for over 30 years. However, the last few years my work takes me all over the province. Working 12-14 hours a day for a few weeks straight, then driving from Prince George to Crofton, work another 7 days of 12 hour shifts then back on the road to work in Kamloops for 2 weeks of 12 hour shifts... and so on, the fun factor seems to disapear and the need for quiet and sleep is there. If I have missed somewhere on the ferry that is quiet and you can be alone for 1.5 hours of uninterupted sleep please let me know where this is. If anyone in this forum is offended at anything I have said, I apologize.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 6, 2007 16:02:20 GMT -8
No offense taken at all........Hornbyguy was just having fun with your comment. I understand what you're saying about work trips. A trip at the end of a long stint of long-work can really take all the fun out of travel.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 6, 2007 17:56:00 GMT -8
Cascade,
From what I have heard it is believed that they went down in the elevator. Once the engine room flooded, the elevator machinery would have failed...
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Post by Curtis on Jan 6, 2007 18:38:17 GMT -8
Cascade, From what I have heard it is believed that they went down in the elevator. Once the engine room flooded, the elevator machinery would have failed... That sounds like the best verdict of how they drowned.
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Post by Doug on Jan 6, 2007 19:46:39 GMT -8
That is a pretty sad and scary end to innocent lives...trapped in an elevator.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 6, 2007 19:51:17 GMT -8
This elevator story is just one of several possibilities as I understand it?
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 6, 2007 20:02:13 GMT -8
This elevator story is just one of several possibilities as I understand it? Correct. Nothing has yet to be confirmed...
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Post by Scott on Jan 6, 2007 20:29:39 GMT -8
Could BC Ferries be sued since it probably says not to use elevators in emergencies?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 6, 2007 20:31:05 GMT -8
Why would BCFS be sued if they have signs saying not to use elevators in emergencies?? It would be the passengers at fault ignoring signs that you are not supposed to use them in emergencies.
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Post by Neil on Jan 7, 2007 12:43:11 GMT -8
Since it wasn't clear until a few hours after the sinking that anyone was missing, I don't know how we can say that someone was trapped in an elevator. We can speculate, but I'm not sure I see the point. The RCMP hasn't even agreed yet that the couple are dead, let alone being sure how they met their end.
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Post by Kam on Jan 7, 2007 13:38:54 GMT -8
Does anyone have any recent pictures of the NA? Would love to see how the work is coming along on her rear end! lol
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 7, 2007 13:47:16 GMT -8
Is there a stairmaster at Esquimalt ? ;D
Butt seriously, I think Karl is our most likely source of photographs & updates on Sonia-NA's progress.
When's your next ariel-photosession of Sonia, Karl?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 7, 2007 19:47:30 GMT -8
We havent been up flying for months cause of the crappy weather. I hope to get up before she leaves for Deas but who knows. I can say she is still in Esquimalt. Other than progress I am not sure. You cant really get any close up views around the drydock, only from aways. I think she is still in the water though. Me Graham and Scott hope to get some photos on Tuesday of the Northern Adventure.
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Post by NMcKay on Jan 7, 2007 22:28:13 GMT -8
do you guys not have school / work? i would love to go out and see the NA, but i can't right now due to school.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 8, 2007 9:33:46 GMT -8
Nope, I dont go to school but I work and I happen to have Tuesday off.
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