Koastal Karl
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Been on every BC Ferry now!!!!!
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Post by Koastal Karl on Mar 26, 2005 22:31:19 GMT -8
What is this MV Elizebeth I keep hearing about??? What ship is that??
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Post by Balfour on Mar 26, 2005 22:34:16 GMT -8
It's some ship that he'd like to be built.
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Post by Harry on Mar 27, 2005 10:05:19 GMT -8
Yes it is, Elizabeth is the possible sister of Skeena queen or quinsam, mill bay is a good vessel too, I was going to watch it go out this morning (Sunday 27th March 2005), the Elizabeth is to go along with mill bay when the malahat is closed and do mill bay's work when she retires.
Plus look at page 1 why I want the new ship to be called Elizabeth, never mind about brentwood to swartz bay, that was a mistake, it was supposed to be mill bay to brentwood bay.
I am english but I am in Brentwood bay visiting now, I live in Vancouver.
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 27, 2005 12:24:11 GMT -8
Okay, first thing. the Royal sealink did NOT lose money on the Nanaimo -> Vancouver run, they made Big money in those days. it was the coupons and junk that they were giving out to make people go on the vancouver -> victoria run that made them die. hence why hlynx doesn't have a boat on that route.
2nd. they will not be stretching the quinsam. they will more likely decide to give her gallery deck to increase her capacity.
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Post by Curtis on Mar 27, 2005 15:34:48 GMT -8
It's almost like they're going to lift her they need to refit the passenger area to do that though as in adding another passenger deck someone try editing her and give her a upper car deck or gallery deck
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 27, 2005 17:36:44 GMT -8
it would be a folding gallery deck, they wouldn't need to lift her.
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Post by Balfour on Mar 27, 2005 17:38:06 GMT -8
A gallery deck would still look kinda odd on the Quinsam, I'd like to see though.
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Post by Dane on Mar 27, 2005 23:28:34 GMT -8
Okay, first thing. the Royal sealink did NOT lose money on the Nanaimo -> Vancouver run, they made Big money in those days. it was the coupons and junk that they were giving out to make people go on the vancouver -> victoria run that made them die. hence why hlynx doesn't have a boat on that route. 2nd. they will not be stretching the quinsam. they will more likely decide to give her gallery deck to increase her capacity. They overserved Victoria, but had they run more sensably they would have done better. How do you believe that a city with a larger pop. and way bigger business district AND the capital of the Province couldn't support and affordable link to d-town Van? Add another $4-5 to each fare to make up for fuel and you'd prolly have the same financial figures as you have going to Naniamo, if not better. |
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 28, 2005 0:16:17 GMT -8
Nope, They choose to use the highly subsidized BC Ferries insted.
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Post by Dane on Mar 28, 2005 0:24:53 GMT -8
Nope, They choose to use the highly subsidized BC Ferries insted. Because the option doesnt exist. Why wouldn't they do the same thing with HLynx then, bus service to West Van is far faster than to Tsawwassen from D-Town |
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 28, 2005 0:28:28 GMT -8
at the time. BC was going through a bit of a rescession, and well there didn't seem to be the want to go on that when they could go cheap on the BCf then take public transit. I think now there Might be the want for it. Ill talk to dad about it, but i dont think it'll work.
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Post by Dane on Mar 28, 2005 0:34:25 GMT -8
at the time. BC was going through a bit of a rescession, and well there didn't seem to be the want to go on that when they could go cheap on the BCf then take public transit. I think now there Might be the want for it. Ill talk to dad about it, but i dont think it'll work. Well HL seems to be doing decently right now, when I take the SeaSlug there seems to be good loads, at least enough to break even. The capital to start these programmes is immense, although you've already got the moorage in Vancouver. I bet that's one of the most expensive parts of the physical operations (and fuel, lol) |
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 28, 2005 0:51:01 GMT -8
im not allowed to tell you guys about the total costs. But it is a major part, if we could partner with Vic Clipper, then we could use thier dock space, and they have the same vessel.
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 28, 2005 9:00:32 GMT -8
Not a bad idea harbourlynx kid, maybe partner with victoria clipper and you can share funds, make money too.
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Post by NMcKay on Mar 28, 2005 11:05:41 GMT -8
the only problem is that the vic clipper burs quite a bit more fuel than the lynx, because of her massive turbine engines.
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Post by Harry on Apr 4, 2005 19:00:31 GMT -8
Oh...
Well let's talk about the mill bay route, I have heard that only the mill bay can fit into the docks! they will have to upgrade the terminals and maybe even the M.V mill bay itself!!!
I Hope M.V Elizabeth Comes soon.
Harry.
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Post by Balfour on Apr 4, 2005 19:02:18 GMT -8
I'd say the terminals would be easier to upgrade.
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Post by Dave on Apr 4, 2005 19:03:13 GMT -8
HARRY, BC Ferries ain't going to run the Mill Bay route nomore so lose your hopes.
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Post by Balfour on Apr 4, 2005 19:05:16 GMT -8
Dave your right! It's losing money and it will continue to lose money, so there's no point in running it.
Dave, do you work at BCF?
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Post by nolonger on Apr 4, 2005 20:54:08 GMT -8
I don't know about this one. I only travelled on the Mill Bay once and that was last summer. She was full and left traffic behind. I was pulling a loaded horse trailer behind a gasoline powered 3/4 pickup, from Saanich to Nanaimo. I probably saved money in gas by taking the ferry and a little time and a lot of stress. I think the demand is there, but is it neccessary. I don't know. I guess the bottom line is it's not needed, at least until the Malahat is closed next time.
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Post by cascade on Apr 5, 2005 6:25:04 GMT -8
There's been a lot said and talked about with regards to the Mill Bay - Brentwood run - Route 12. Yes it is losing money - but is the oldest in the BCF service and therefore a great run to keep open.
Can it make money - again that is open to opition.
The main thing is that ALL the routes are open to other operators. It is written in the ACT Bill C-18.
Now for the good news, the main terminals are only able to handle BCF Ferries - (Loading & unloading) so any other Ferry company with have to adjust there vessels to work / acept the cars on the main routes. The expense at doing this is to high. Therefore this makes it unprofitable for a number of years. (remember there are no SUB'S for the major routes only the minor routes which had access to the $24M in 2004)
On the smaller routes - BCF want to drop or sell off in either a partnership agreement - cream off profit (if any) - but want to be out of the problem routes - where replacement vessel is required and terminals needed to be upgraded.
This is not a left wing idea - nor is it union bashing or NDP spin - but a plain & simple fact of law.
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Post by Curtis on Apr 5, 2005 7:34:11 GMT -8
You know i wonder why they ever considerd privitizing PR-Comox and Texada maybe it's the old ships but all I know is that she isn't losing money
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Post by cascade on Apr 5, 2005 8:16:23 GMT -8
Small - short runs can make money. If you look at Norway - for example - they have the same pop as BC 4.1M to 4.5M. The same amount of coast lines.
But they have over 150 different ferry companies - that are linked to Bus companies - and they use the short fast ferries - like you would use a bus in the city. An interesting thing is that these companies don't recieve any government handouts - sub's. A lot of the Ferry companies are operate by the bus companies - they own a few buses and a vessel - they offer thur tickets. It is a really simple scheme.
If they put something like this on the BC Coast - just think of the way it would open up the coast.
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Post by Harry on Apr 5, 2005 19:35:49 GMT -8
Dave, You have made me feel like... wait don't cry  ! |
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Post by Curtis on Apr 5, 2005 20:10:39 GMT -8
Yeah take it easy on the guy he likes the route. Besides I think they should need to run it in the summer and in the winter like some sugested in another post it should be a two season operation to save a little bit of $$$
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