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Post by elwha on Jan 26, 2012 19:50:16 GMT -8
Why would a passenger walkway collapse at a public transportation terminal? It couldn't have been, as The Canadian Viking posted, the structural failure must have something giving way... so I would agree about the electrical failure. There can't possibility be a structural failure. WSF would be in hot water anyway...  |
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 26, 2012 21:34:06 GMT -8
Because some main support or somethin' fails. Trust me, that sounds more like something that would happen to BCF.  I don't think WSF has ever had any fatal accidents. BCF, on the other hand, has had at least five. And I am sure as @%$& that an overhead walkway collapse would be fatal if it was while a ferry is unloading or loading.  Name an instance in history when BCF has had a structural failure. Now name another. And another. Keep going. And one more. That makes five. I don't believe we've had even close to five structural failures, if that's what you're getting at. We've had ferries fail, but the same happens to WSF vessels. Read back in some recent discussion about the Duke Point hard landing and you'll see that the ratios of 'oops' moments between the two systems isn't much different. BC Ferries has 35 ships and around 42 terminals in much more difficult sailing terrain than WSF has to deal with. Just for the record, WSF has 22, soon to be 21 ships, running out of 20 terminals, quite a bit less than BCF. We're bound to have more accidents in BC, considering our diverse conditions and larger size.
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Post by alaskanmohican on Jan 26, 2012 23:13:08 GMT -8
Trust me, that sounds more like something that would happen to BCF. Wow, way to promote friendly relations with your northern neighbors there.  While I don't want to take even one fatality lightly, I don't think BCF has a poor track record with safety and I don't think the above comment was fair, to put it mildly. |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 26, 2012 23:36:01 GMT -8
BC Ferries safety performance over recent years compares poorly with our neighbours on the south and north. On so-called 'hard landings' BCFS spokesperson Deb Marshall has told us that 'our fleet' averages 12 per year. According to information gathered by Christina Montgomery WSF has had two such incidents over the last two years. Quite a difference to say the least.
BC Ferries has had more than its fair share of fatal accidents. I can not think of any such accidents occurring on any WSF or AMHS vessels in recent times.
As for passenger overhead walkways collapsing into the sea, the C Renaissance knocked one down a few years ago. This was not a structural collapse and no one was hurt or injured, but it was, nevertheless, a serious incident.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 27, 2012 9:39:07 GMT -8
BC Ferries safety performance over recent years compares poorly with our neighbours on the south and north. On so-called 'hard landings' BCFS spokesperson Deb Marshall has told us that 'our fleet' averages 12 per year. According to information gathered by Christina Montgomery WSF has had two such incidents over the last two years. Quite a difference to say the least. BC Ferries has had more than its fair share of fatal accidents. I can not think of any such accidents occurring on any WSF or AMHS vessels in recent times. As for passenger overhead walkways collapsing into the sea, the C Renaissance knocked one down a few years ago. This was not a structural collapse and no one was hurt or injured, but it was, nevertheless, a serious incident. I don't know about Alaska, but Washington State Ferries in 61 years of operation has never had a passenger fatality. There was one instance of a passenger going overboard and never surfacing due to his own negligence--several years back, a bicycle messenger was sitting on the pickle fork railing at the stern with his back pack on and appears to have fallen over when the Wenatachee made the sharp turn at Tyee Shoal at full speed heading into Eagle Harbor. (This fellow was described by his friends as 'not being too bright.') It seems the backpack pulled him under and he never came up. He'd been told to get off the rail and hadn't done so. The only other instance I can think of took place back in the early 50's at Vashon. The dock was undergoing some repair or maintenance and the San Mateo failed to reverse and crashed into the dock, killing a construction worker. He wasn't a passenger, however. |
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Post by rusty on Jan 27, 2012 11:09:46 GMT -8
The only reason WSF hasn't had a fatality is luck. I've witnessed a few screw-ups over the years that could of just as easily gone the other way.
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Post by mrdot on Jan 27, 2012 12:07:25 GMT -8
:)I love eg fleet's latest sig. and don't think the p.elaine was all that unglamerous, especially compared to today's wonderboots! I just clicked onto the new day room, and it is very much appreciated! mrdot  |
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 27, 2012 22:21:16 GMT -8
Moderator Note:
Please keep this thread on topic. Posts (or rants, like one I just deleted) that have no connection to the Bremerton terminal will be deleted.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 2, 2012 13:59:33 GMT -8
So seeing foot passengers are free from Bremerton what is the procedure here? You need a boarding pass?? Just getting info as I want to do a trip on this route soon!
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 2, 2012 16:32:40 GMT -8
nope, just walk on at boarding call. You will be required to disembark in Seattle and purchase a ticket for your return. Round-trip fares are collected westbound only on most routes.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 2, 2012 16:43:00 GMT -8
Would you have enough time between sailings to purchase a ticket for the next one?? Would I get looks from security if I did a roundtrip on each boat? lol! I take it in the terminals they have security people standing there? What is the area around the Bremerton Terminal like is it a good area where the parking is?? I just remember last time I was in Bremerton I dident think it was all that nice of an area. Might of changed though now as I havent been there in years!
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 2, 2012 19:34:00 GMT -8
Would you have enough time between sailings to purchase a ticket for the next one?? Absolutely. Walk-off passengers are first off, and you don't have to walk that far on the Seattle side to get back into the terminal. If the line at the ticket counter looks uncomfortably long, you can always use one of the kiosks with your credit card. Trust me, you'll have your ticket, and will be back in line for the return sailing before the vessel is completely unloaded. Would I get looks from security if I did a roundtrip on each boat? lol! I take it in the terminals they have security people standing there? Nah, people do it all the time, and they don't have that many security people there usually, not enough to notice, anyway. What is the area around the Bremerton Terminal like is it a good area where the parking is?? I just remember last time I was in Bremerton I dident think it was all that nice of an area. Might of changed though now as I havent been there in years! The area around the Bremerton Terminal, especially along the waterfront, has really shaped up. See the photos posted in this thread to get an idea of what it looks like now. You'll have to find a parking garage or some nearby street parking, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find a place to park. |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 2, 2012 21:18:15 GMT -8
You think it would be easier to park in Bremerton then Bainbridge? I thought there was a lot pretty close to the terminal? If I took the 6:10am Coho do you think I could make the 9:45am out of Bremerton? I think it might be close so I would probably plan on the 11:10am from Bremerton.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 3, 2012 0:03:29 GMT -8
The 6:10 would get you into Port Angeles at 7:45. It typically takes two hours to go from Port Angeles to Bremerton. The 11:10 is probably a safer bet.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jul 3, 2012 0:16:45 GMT -8
Speaking of this terminal, does anyone have any photos of the Bremerton terminal prior to its renovation? Say, as it looked in the 1990s?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 17:57:34 GMT -8
I'm wondering which vessel is usual on the Seattle to Bremerton Hyak or Kaleetan? Why doesn't WSF during the Fall, Winter and Spring have two Super class vessel service this route and for summer have Hyak as the number one spot and Walla Walla as number two spot? Or have Walla Walla service all year excluding her time on the Edmonds to kingston route or maintenance then have the two supers class service the route during that period of time?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Oct 12, 2012 18:32:41 GMT -8
Kaleetan.
For one, the Hyak's operations are based out of Anacortes and Kaleetan's are based out of Seattle.
As it has been illustrated before, the likelihood of the Kaleetan moving anywhere off the Bremerton for a long period of time is next to none because of the above factors. And the Kaleetan has, for all intents, made its home in the last two years on the Bremerton-Seattle run.
Secondly, the Walla Walla or any Jumbo class ferry is much too large for the Bremerton run. Much in the way of car deck and passenger cabin space goes unused.
The best solution is to use two Supers. Either the Hyak and Kaleetan or Yakima and Kaleetan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 19:11:12 GMT -8
Then, why is the Hyak go to be on the route from November 15 to the end of winter? Does this happen every year?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 19:16:57 GMT -8
1)The Walla Walla or any Jumbo class ferry is much too large for the Bremerton run. Much in the way of car deck and passenger cabin space goes unused. 2)The best solution is to use two Supers. Either the Hyak and Kaleetan or Yakima and Kaleetan. 1) Is Walla Walla to big even during the summer? ::)2) Yeah. I think Yakima and Kaleetan will do just fine together! ;D |
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 12, 2012 19:59:21 GMT -8
1) Is Walla Walla to big even during the summer? ::)2) Yeah. I think Yakima and Kaleetan will do just fine together! ;D Yakima's home has been Anacortes since the late 1990's. I don't see that changing soon, and I would hope that it wouldn't. I like Yakima, and I think the San Juan Islands is a good place for her. |
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 13, 2012 9:50:54 GMT -8
And by the way, it's BremeRton, not BremeNton.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 13, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -8
And by the way, it's BremeRton, not BremeNton. Spelling fixed by Canadian moderator... |
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Oct 13, 2012 18:15:50 GMT -8
1) Is Walla Walla to big even during the summer? Yes. On mid-morning runs and late evening runs, it's not uncommon to see only the tunnel being used, with the wings being empty - both upper and lower levels. I remember a crossing I took on the Walla Walla last year during early Summer on a mid-afternoon crossing and the tunnel was the only part of the car deck that was used, and that was just the leading end, the aft end was totally empty! Nearly identical conditions were observed on an evening crossing a year ago:  M.V. Walla Walla car deck by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr This was taken on an evening crossing out of Seattle. About 15 cars total on the main deck tunnel. The passenger cabin? Nearly empty. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 18:48:02 GMT -8
1) Is Walla Walla to big even during the summer? Yes. On mid-morning runs and late evening runs, it's not uncommon to see only the tunnel being used, with the wings being empty - both upper and lower levels. I remember a crossing I took on the Walla Walla last year during early Summer on a mid-afternoon crossing and the tunnel was the only part of the car deck that was used, and that was just the leading end, the aft end was totally empty! Nearly identical conditions were observed on an evening crossing a year ago: M.V. Walla Walla car deck by Loowit Imaging - Steve Rosenow, Photographer, on Flickr This was taken on an evening crossing out of Seattle. About 15 cars total on the main deck tunnel. The passenger cabin? Nearly empty. How about when the Kaleetan is the summer vessel on the Bremerton to Seattle route? By the way, have their been two Super Class vessels on the route together before? |
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 13, 2012 19:16:29 GMT -8
How about when the Kaleetan is the summer vessel on the Bremerton to Seattle route? By the way, have their been two Super Class vessels on the route together before? Yes, absolutely. In 1967 when the Super Class vessels were built, Hyak and Yakima were assigned to the Bremerton run and served there for 13 years until a downturn in traffic on that route led to the Supers being replaced by Issaquah-Class boats in the 1980's. Nowadays, you will occasionally have two Supers serving the route, when the maintenance schedule leads to a shuffling of boats that favours this rotation. It's not unusual to have Kaleetan and Hyak serving side-by-side, and Yakima was even on the route for a brief time a few years ago. More often than not, however, you see Kaleetan paired with Kitsap or Walla Walla. Traffic levels on the Bremerton route have finally built back up again, so much so that it really has outgrown the Issaquah-Class vessels. The commuters love it when 2 Supers are on the route, or even a Super and a Jumbo, but they hate it when Kitsap, or another Issaquah, is serving, because during the commute times, there are never enough seats on those smaller vessels. The Supers are just about the right size. They have enough seats to accommodate the commuters, and don't have the extra-large vehicle space that goes unused like when Walla Walla is on the route. When the new Olympic Class vessels get put into service, I imagine we will see the issaquah's disappear from the Bremerton route, and either have 2 Supers, or a Super and a new 144. |
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I don't think WSF has ever had any fatal accidents. BCF, on the other hand, has had at least five. 
