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Post by Scott on Aug 1, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -8
Where is the Raven right now? Swartz Bay? Tsawwassen? She's at Swartz Bay's Berth 4. |
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Aug 2, 2017 18:14:22 GMT -8
Salish Raven is now in berth 1 at Tsawwassen, and the Eagle is in berth 2.
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Post by Dane on Aug 3, 2017 18:18:25 GMT -8
Was aboard the Salish Raven for day 1, a round trip to Long Harbour and back via Pender on the return. The ship as most know entered service just a bit over a month early with the unanticipated loss of the Queen of Nanaimo and has been assigned to its homeport of Tsawwassen with the Salish Eagle moving to its permanent homeport of Long Harbour.
There's not too much to note in terms of change. Scott noticed the exterior benches are adjusted in location a bit. The beeping on the visors is gone (thank goodness); the departure / arrival buzz is also toned way down (thank goodness) from the other two Salish ships.
The exterior doors on Deck 4 continued to be a problem, with at least two ceasing to operate but subsequently being repaired while on the round-trip. The doors that could stay open (so 3 of the 4) were just kept open for a majority of the sailing which really minimized noise.
There was also a few small signs of a boat rushed to service. The fountain pop machine won't work until September, apparently. They have canned pop for combo purchases so fear now. And the paper towel dispensers are also not working. Other than that there was nothing that suggested the boat was quickly pulled into service.
There was no formal first sailing type thing at Tsawwassen. When we passed the Eagle in the Straight approaching Galiano there was a whistle salute between the Salish sisters. Nice touch.
Other than that nice to see the first day of the new normal.
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Post by FNS on Aug 3, 2017 21:33:03 GMT -8
Was aboard the Salish Raven for day 1, a round trip to Long Harbour and back via Pender on the return. The ship as most know entered service just a bit over a month early with the unanticipated loss of the Queen of Nanaimo and has been assigned to its homeport of Tsawwassen with the Salish Eagle moving to its permanent homeport of Long Harbour. There's not too much to note in terms of change. Scott noticed the exterior benches are adjusted in location a bit. The beeping on the visors is gone (thank goodness); the departure / arrival buzz is also toned way down (thank goodness) from the other two Salish ships. The exterior doors on Deck 4 continued to be a problem, with at least two ceasing to operate but subsequently being repaired while on the round-trip. The doors that could stay open (so 3 of the 4) were just kept open for a majority of the sailing which really minimized noise. There was also a few small signs of a boat rushed to service. The fountain pop machine won't work until September, apparently. They have canned pop for combo purchases so fear now. And the paper towel dispensers are also not working. Other than that there was nothing that suggested the boat was quickly pulled into service. There was no formal first sailing type thing at Tsawwassen. When we passed the Eagle in the Straight approaching Galiano there was a whistle salute between the Salish sisters. Nice touch. Other than that nice to see the first day of the new normal. The same thing happened during our SALISH's first public sailing. She sounded three long blasts on her whistle and the CHETZEMOKA answered. I was on board the SALISH on her first public round trip on the Port Townsend - Keystone run and the captain had some nice words to say to us to celebrate her entrance to service and the restoration of two-vessel service there after the departure of the Steel Electrics. I wished I had recorded those blasts and words. Welcome to your new era of marine transportation, BC Gulf Islanders! Good luck to the Salish "birds"!! |
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Post by Scott on Aug 3, 2017 23:59:07 GMT -8
Was aboard the Salish Raven for day 1, a round trip to Long Harbour and back via Pender on the return. The ship as most know entered service just a bit over a month early with the unanticipated loss of the Queen of Nanaimo and has been assigned to its homeport of Tsawwassen with the Salish Eagle moving to its permanent homeport of Long Harbour. There's not too much to note in terms of change. Scott noticed the exterior benches are adjusted in location a bit. The beeping on the visors is gone (thank goodness); the departure / arrival buzz is also toned way down (thank goodness) from the other two Salish ships. The exterior doors on Deck 4 continued to be a problem, with at least two ceasing to operate but subsequently being repaired while on the round-trip. The doors that could stay open (so 3 of the 4) were just kept open for a majority of the sailing which really minimized noise. There was also a few small signs of a boat rushed to service. The fountain pop machine won't work until September, apparently. They have canned pop for combo purchases so fear now. And the paper towel dispensers are also not working. Other than that there was nothing that suggested the boat was quickly pulled into service. There was no formal first sailing type thing at Tsawwassen. When we passed the Eagle in the Straight approaching Galiano there was a whistle salute between the Salish sisters. Nice touch. Other than that nice to see the first day of the new normal. Thank you for the summation, Dane! All the crews from Long Harbour, Tsawwassen, Little River and FMU have done a phenomenal job working together to bring her into service so early. As Dane has mentioned, a couple minor issues not experienced on the other two Salish Class, but so minor that they're insignificant... The mid-ship washroom did have operational paper towel dispensers in addition to hand dryers, so I assume that the non-operational paper towel dispensers were located in the washroom at the No. 2 (lounge) end. One photo for now, more to come...
August 3, 2017The following image posted by this account is copyright © S.A. ~ Unauthorized use is prohibited.
 BC Ferries - Salish Raven departing Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr |
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Post by Scott on Aug 5, 2017 14:45:54 GMT -8
Photos from her inaugural sailing on Thursday. 
August 3, 2017The following images posted by this account are copyright © S.A. ~ Unauthorized use is prohibited.
 BC Ferries - Salish Raven at Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven at Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - First vehicles board the Inaugural Sailing of Salish Raven. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven departs Tsawwassen's Berth 1 on her Inaugural Sailing. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven in the Strait of Georgia. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven arrives at Long Harbour, SSI for her first time. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Builder's Plaque (Deck 4, Midship), Salish Raven. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven en route to Otter Bay, Pender Island. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Sun Deck (No. 1 End), Salish Raven. by Scott, on Flickr.  BC Ferries - Salish Raven nears Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr  BC Ferries - Salish Raven departing Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr BC Ferries - Salish Raven departing Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Scott, on Flickr |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 5, 2017 15:29:55 GMT -8
The beeping on the visors is gone (thank goodness); the departure / arrival buzz is also toned way down (thank goodness) from the other two Salish ships. Some clarification needed from anyone who has already been on a Salish Raven sailing, please: The Salish Class annoying noises consist(ed) of 4 items: 1) the beep-beep doors to the outside passenger decks and to the passenger stairways 2) the siren on the main car deck "car stop" barrier being raised and lowered 3) the siren on the visor being opened and closed 4) the the siren on the hatches to the lower vehicle deck being opened and closed. From Dane's comments, the visor siren (#3 above) is now gone entirely. What about the car-stop barrier (#2 above)? Does anyone know what is meant by "departure / arrival buzz" being toned way down? I'm assuming that the garage-deck hatches still have sirens sounding. For anyone able to add some specifics to Dane's observation, please do so. I'm interested. Thanks. Dziękuję Ci |
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 5, 2017 15:43:31 GMT -8
Does anyone know what is meant by "departure / arrival buzz" being toned way down? When the ferry arrives at a dock, when the ship maked touch down on the wingwalls and is pushing into the dock by available means of propulsion, the bridge will sound, one long and three short buzzes on a buzzer. This is the first indication that the bridge team doesn't intend to make anymore movements of the engines/propulsion and that it's safe to tie up and lower the apron. This process is then done in reverse upon departure, except the car deck initializes the buzz from the car deck to the bridge, to indicate that the shore connections have been disconnected. On the older ships, this sound is like a hockey arena buzzer sound. On th newer ships, it's more of a siren type of sound, which is what Dane would be refering to in this case. I'll be traveling on the Raven this weekend, so I pay closer attention to these things on the trip |
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Post by Neil on Aug 5, 2017 18:12:11 GMT -8
Does anyone know what is meant by "departure / arrival buzz" being toned way down? When the ferry arrives at a dock, when the ship maked touch down on the wingwalls and is pushing into the dock by available means of propulsion, the bridge will sound, one long and three short buzzes on a buzzer. This is the first indication that the bridge team doesn't intend to make anymore movements of the engines/propulsion and that it's safe to tie up and lower the apron. This process is then done in reverse upon departure, except the car deck initializes the buzz from the car deck to the bridge, to indicate that the shore connections have been disconnected. On the older ships, this sound is like a hockey arena buzzer sound. On th newer ships, it's more of a siren type of sound, which is what Dane would be refering to in this case. I'll be traveling on the Raven this weekend, so I pay closer attention to these things on the trip I'm confused. Whenever I've been on the Denman or Hornby ferries, the buzzing is done by a deckhand at the bow, when the ferry has more or less fully berthed. Never seen them do it on departure. |
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Post by futureferrydriver on Aug 6, 2017 6:14:10 GMT -8
Can't speak for the smaller vessels (or most of the majors) but here is what I have observed working on the ramp when the Spirits come in:
1. Ship pulls into berth, the mate on the MCD hits the buzzer (1 long 3 short) as the ship is hitting the wingwalls
2. Once the ship is pushing in the guys on the bridge sound the buzzer (again 1 long 3 short) and the mate gives the signal to lower the apron onto the deck
3. The deck crew comes out and winches in the ship
4. The mate makes 2 calls on the hardline, which I assume first to notify the bridge of secure connection to the shore and second to give permission to the second officer to lower the upper apron
5. Load and unload traffic
6. Shore closure and the mate radios the bridge that the shore is secure
7. Lines come off, mate gives the signal to raise the apron and as soon as the apron is off the deck the mate buzzes (again 1 long and 3 short) to the bridge and the ship sails
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 8, 2017 9:38:59 GMT -8
I'm confused. Whenever I've been on the Denman or Hornby ferries, the buzzing is done by a deckhand at the bow, when the ferry has more or less fully berthed. Never seen them do it on departure. To be honest, the procedure varies slightly on some ships. Gradually this is being standardized fleetwide. Also, some ships are comfigured slightly differently. Some older ships have the car deck buzzer go off no matter what if you're sounding it from the car deck or the bridge. Newer ships tend to have the buzzer silenced when you sound it from the car deck, so it will only sound when the bridge buzzes down to the car deck. Regardless, this sound is also relayed inside the bridge. I was traveling on the Salish Raven this weekend as well. I also noticed that the bow visors don't alarm while they're going up and down. The car stop however will still alarm, but only at a reduced volume when compared to the Orca. The docking buzzer is a bit loud, but is important for the crew to hear, as there are different signals which can indicate a problem that may jeopardize the loading process. The docking buzzer system, pre-departure strobes, and nemetz lights are all things that came about from the Nemetz inquiry, after the accident with the Queen of New Westminster in 1992. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2017 6:30:49 GMT -8
The Raven at her Tsawwassen berth-1 nest, seen from arriving Coastal Inspiration on August 31, 2017 She wouldn't sail that day until 3:00pm or so (Thursday)  DSC06253 by Mike Bonkowski, on Flickr |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2017 16:21:30 GMT -8
As far as the Raven is concerned, a deckhand on that vessel told me it doesn't fit into berth 2 at all which adds to my confusion since I thought all 3 Salish ships were built to the same specifications. I read this and think that what the deckhand said about the Raven has to be wrong, otherwise there's a very big problem. Either there is a huge problem that indicates a critical design error, or the deckhand is horribly uninformed (and doesn't know it), or the deckhand was just giving a bad answer for whatever reason. |
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Post by mybidness459 on Sept 3, 2017 16:44:48 GMT -8
I smell a reconstruction project for That berth's overhead walkway in the future.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 24, 2017 8:51:56 GMT -8
BC Ferries newest vessel, the Salish Raven, berthed @ Swartz Bay's berth 4 just a week prior to being pressed into regular service on route 9A - 27 July 2017. It was of course the 'early retirement' of the Queen of Nanaimo due to serious breakdown that caused this to happen.  © WCK-JST by Jim Thorne, on Flickr |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 28, 2017 22:07:07 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 9, 2017 17:04:27 GMT -8
Salish Raven coming around Mary Anne Point (Galiano Island) in Active Pass while en route 'home' to Salt Spring - 8 November 2017 
Both photos © WCK-JST by Jim Thorne, on Flickr
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Post by gulfislandkayaker on Nov 14, 2017 12:10:14 GMT -8
It would appear that previously stated fears about the Salish ships performance in heavy seas may have some substance.
A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that the captain of the Raven warned passengers over the P.A. System about the possibility of a vessel "roll".
I will attempt to get further details on this. I am currently making the Strait of Georgia crossing on the Spirit of V.I. I've certainly made the crossing on the Queen of Nanaimo in worse conditions than this in the past.
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Post by Kam on Nov 15, 2017 16:14:27 GMT -8
It would appear that previously stated fears about the Salish ships performance in heavy seas may have some substance. A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that the captain of the Raven warned passengers over the P.A. System about the possibility of a vessel "roll". Nothing special here... crew came on the PA to warn passengers about the possibility of vessel roll on the Barnaby and Tsawwassen in heavy weather as well. |
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Post by Nick on Nov 15, 2017 20:24:17 GMT -8
We also have much different maintenance and inspection standards in this part of the world. There's a reason we can keep ships operating safely for 40-50 years. I was on the S Raven from Galiano to Tsawwassen for an evening sailing a week ago in a fairly modest wind (nothing special). Several times the vessel shuddered quite noticeably when it hit larger waves. This had me thinking that in a really rough winds & sea conditions the ride might be quite uncomfortable. But they will likely cancel sailings due to berthing issues at Tsawwassen anyways before passengers get to experience rough rides in the middle of Georgia Strait. Uncomfortable does not mean unsafe. This is something that is sometimes difficult for non-mariners to understand. In fact, in some circumstances, the more "comfortable" ships are actually less stable than those that correct a little more quickly. I don't have the information to make the calculations, but I'd bet money that the Salish class have more reserve buoyancy and a better "self-righting" capability than the Burnaby or Nanaimo ever did. The shuddering you noticed is normal for any ship moving through waves. Being double enders, the hull shape is inherently a compromise of the characteristics required for a stern as well as a bow. That impacts sea keeping as well as fuel economy. That said, I've experienced some shuddering on the Spirits, Coastals and QPR. The Coastals seem to shudder more than the Spirits in similar sea state, but all ferries do it. |
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 15, 2017 20:46:22 GMT -8
Uncomfortable does not mean unsafe. This is something that is sometimes difficult for non-mariners to understand. In fact, in some circumstances, the more "comfortable" ships are actually less stable than those that correct a little more quickly. I don't have the information to make the calculations, but I'd bet money that the Salish class have more reserve buoyancy and a better "self-righting" capability than the Burnaby or Nanaimo ever did. The shuddering you noticed is normal for any ship moving through waves. Being double enders, the hull shape is inherently a compromise of the characteristics required for a stern as well as a bow. That impacts sea keeping as well as fuel economy. That said, I've experienced some shuddering on the Spirits, Coastals and QPR. The Coastals seem to shudder more than the Spirits in similar sea state, but all ferries do it. I was not implying that it was in anyway 'unsafe', just maybe uncomfortable. More so than say the Nanaimo was? I don't know. Time will tell. |
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 16, 2017 20:26:48 GMT -8
Evening Arrival at Sturdies Bay ...  BC Ferries' Salish Raven making an early evening arrival @ Sturdies Bay on Galiano Island, to pick up traffic for Tsawwassen - 8 November 2017
© WCK-JST by Jim Thorne, on Flickr
It would appear that previously stated fears about the Salish ships performance in heavy seas may have some substance. A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that the captain of the Raven warned passengers over the P.A. System about the possibility of a vessel "roll". Nothing special here... crew came on the PA to warn passengers about the possibility of vessel roll on the Barnaby and Tsawwassen in heavy weather as well. I was on the S Raven from Galiano to Tsawwassen for an evening sailing a week ago in a fairly modest wind (nothing special). Several times the vessel shuddered quite noticeably when it hit larger waves. This had me thinking that in a really rough winds & sea conditions the ride might be quite uncomfortable. But they will likely cancel sailings due to berthing issues at Tsawwassen anyways before passengers get to experience rough rides in the middle of Georgia Strait. |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 9, 2017 22:01:29 GMT -8
Salish Raven about to go around Helen Point (Mayne Island) in Active Pass while en route 'home' to Salt Spring 8 November 2017  © WCK-JST by Jim Thorne, on Flickr
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Post by Curtis on Dec 24, 2017 19:11:47 GMT -8
Well, in what is something of a holiday tradition for me, I have a new Walkthrough and a Whistle to post! This year, the Salish Raven gets the nod.
Merry Ho Ho everyone!
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Post by priver on Jan 10, 2018 16:45:03 GMT -8
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