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Post by Hardy on Oct 27, 2007 16:45:33 GMT -8
don't forget if the Coastal Renaissance is on the Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay route then the Queen of Cowichan and Coquitlam can replace the Oak Bay, Surrey and Alberni ... IN THE SPRING '08. Until we get thru the Holiday season, and assuming that there is nothing wrong with the CR after her voyage ... but then again, the whole shot is subject to change based on whatever else may happen! Who knows, soaring Cdn $$$ might mean a resale of the Esq somewhere .... metal prices may rise which reduce the scope of a refit ... there are a whole bunch of untold variables out there that could happen. Hahn may be run over by a locomotive at a train crossing, or the NDP might sweep to power, or martians may land on the Parliament building steps .... |
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Post by DENelson83 on Oct 27, 2007 16:57:14 GMT -8
Hahn may be run over by a locomotive at a train crossing, or the NDP might sweep to power, or martians may land on the Parliament building steps .... Either those or a bridge would be built across the Strait... Not! |
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Post by queenofcowichan on Oct 27, 2007 17:20:26 GMT -8
Sorry about this double post, but according to the RBI on Friday November 2, 2007 the Queen of Esquimalt is scheduald to replace the Coquitlam. She leaves DB at 10:30am and Leaves HB at 12:50pm.
This should put to rest for good any spectulation that she is been stripped!
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 27, 2007 20:04:58 GMT -8
Hahn may be run over by a locomotive at a train crossing, or the NDP might sweep to power, or martians may land on the Parliament building steps .... It's more likely the NDP will sweep to power if the convention center in Vancouver keeps going over budget... it's already cost way more than the fast-cats, so, all things being fair, the Liberals will be driven under like the pilings holding up their overpriced convention center. |
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Post by Hardy on Oct 27, 2007 21:21:31 GMT -8
It's more likely the NDP will sweep to power if the convention center in Vancouver keeps going over budget... it's already cost way more than the fast-cats, so, all things being fair, the Liberals will be driven under like the pilings holding up their overpriced convention center. It is very hard to compare a building to "revolutionary" ferries. By no means am I defending the government, please don't mistake my intention here ... a) no engineers/designers have stated that the convention centre is not suited to the task b) the convention centre does not have any wake issues c) the convention centre is not limited to carrying small passenger vehicles only d) the convention centre is not being built by the government over the cries of the construction industries actually building it as being a white elephant Please note that there are no real similarities. Cost overruns, and the rising Canadian dollar, coupled with labour shortages have led us here. Also, the initial budget was unrealisticly "trim" without enough buffer for any overruns. This was done, as most things are, to get it passed. The age old philosophy applies yet again ... "it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission". Spelled out, do it whatever it takes - over and above what you planned on, face the consequences, rather than trying to get permission to do it right the first time. A shoddy/crappy business practice, to be sure, but unfortunately, that is the way that the business world generally tends to operate (read Bre-X, Nortel, etc - mind you, those got caught with their hands deep inside the cookie jar) |
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Post by kylefossett on Oct 28, 2007 10:12:45 GMT -8
hardy, you are right about your list above. but you forgot to include the fact that they started construction on the convention center before the plans were even finalized. this sort of locked them into having to do it a certain way, there may have been cheaper ways to do it.
I definately agree with your points about the canadian$, labor shortages. this is a reality in an economy that is in good shape like ours
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Post by Hardy on Oct 28, 2007 16:59:45 GMT -8
Kyle: I also think that the fastcats were having design modifications and bells and whistles added/deleted WHILE they were in construction - as I was posting more about differences rather than similarities, I omitted this - very astute of you to pick up on it though!  I agree 110% that "moving the goal posts" while the game is being played is an ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE way to "run a railroad". I run into this in my line of work -- imagine me loading up a customer's household goods onto my truck. It is like a giant game of TETRIS, but with weight and breakability factored in. I plan how I am loading the truck based on what is all shown to me to be going; imagine then that as I get near the end of the load, where everything has a place and is loaded securely (not to mention running out of space on the truck!) and the customer THEN tells me about the 8'x10' storage locker that the forgot about 10 km down the road!! If I have to do a second trip, the cost just SKYROCKETED. Same thing with these design and build issues. If everyone knows what is contracted for and things do not change, then timelines and budgets can be adhered to -- LOOK AT FSG and CR!! Under budget and ON TIME (despite the prop hub problem!!) Then contrast this to the convention centre AND the fastcats ... Note that ONE "subtle" difference that you picked up on -- CHANGING STUFF ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN. A common thread -- blows all quotes and estimates right out of the water EACH and EVERY time. Again, valid catch, but not an oversight on my part by any stretch of the imagination! I am fully on your side on this issue. (edit: re-reading my original post, I stated "there are no real similarities" - this was a mis-speak on my part, as I have pointed out in this post. My clarification of pointing out differences rather than similarities should suffice on this, as I was not too clear in my initial post) |
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 30, 2007 4:10:02 GMT -8
Other than the berths without an end, Deas is full on the Fraser River with M.V. Queen of Chilliwack at Berth 1, M.V.Queen of Cowichan at Berth 2, M.V. Powell River Queen at Berth 3 and Northern Adventure at Berth 4, last of the end-to berths at Deas Pacifc Marine, British Columbia Ferry Services' wholly-owned subsidiary refit facility that performs most of their work on the road
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 30, 2007 19:17:47 GMT -8
So does anyone have any info on what they are doing with the NorAd? They have her for seven weeks - they must be doing something substantial? Installing windows on the forward end, perhaps?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 30, 2007 19:47:13 GMT -8
So does anyone have any info on what they are doing with the NorAd? They have her for seven weeks - they must be doing something substantial? Installing windows on the forward end, perhaps? I haven't heard a thing, re the NorAd's work. |
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Post by Balfour on Oct 30, 2007 20:15:30 GMT -8
My best guess is that they're weeding out the remaining teething problems from earlier in the year.
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Post by Hardy on Oct 31, 2007 5:16:51 GMT -8
Hopefully they are playing Berlitz English tapes onboard the ferry so that the gremlins and ghosts can stop speaking in Greek -- then we can figure out when they are plugging up the toilets! |
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Post by Quatchi on Oct 31, 2007 11:11:04 GMT -8
When I was on the Queen of Chilliwack they had Rock 101 playing throughout the entire ship. I am assuming over the PA system. I thought it was kind of funny.
Cheers,
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Post by Nucksrule on Nov 11, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -8
I just noticed on the RBI that the Queen of Saanich takes over for the Spirit of Vancouver Island on January 7th. She will (the Saanich) do some extra sailings along with the Vancouver on Jan. 6th.
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Post by Nucksrule on Nov 12, 2007 23:22:12 GMT -8
Assuming the RBI is correct, the Cowichan should return from refit on November 20, relieving the Coquitlam of it's duties on Rte. 2 and then the Coquitlam will go to Rte. 30 taking over for the Alberni. Which I am assuming will go for refit.
That leaves:
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Cowichan based at Dep. Bay
Oak Bay based at Hor. Bay
Rte.30:
Esquimalt based at Tsa.
Coquitlam based at DP.
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The Alberni should return from refit on December 3rd.
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Post by Nucksrule on Nov 13, 2007 17:37:36 GMT -8
Yet again, assuming that the RBI is correct,(I know it's not the best source of information in the world) the Nanaimo should be replaced by the Tsawwassen on November 26th for her refit.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 13, 2007 18:27:36 GMT -8
mv Quinsam has gone for a 3 week refitt. I went for a ride on the Bowen Queen today to Gabriola. According to a shore worker at the Nanaimo Harbour Terminal I overheard talking to a lady the mv Quinsam will be taken out of service 3 times over the next year for upgrades. This suites me just fine my friends as I perfer to ride the Bowen Queen over the Quinsam anyday.
Nothing new with the Bowen Queen since my last ride on her this spring, expept that her car deck is warped. The BC Coat of Arms is still displayed proudly at her snack Bar end. I took some pictures and will upload them to my sight hopefully before the end of Next week. And Yes the BQ Still has a snack Bar.
Also of note at the Nanaimo Visiting pier is 3 brand new "Orca Class" Navy training vessles that are replacing the old YAGS. I was lucky enough to get some pictures of them when I returned from Gabriola.
I do not know what time The Ferries were switched but I did hear the mv Quinsam check out of VTS at her regular time Last nite and I did not hear either the Bowen or Quinsam before I went to bed at Midnight.
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Post by ferryking on Nov 14, 2007 21:54:41 GMT -8
looks like a refit on Dec 3 for Q of Surrey and returning on the Dec 8th...short time...but understandable.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 15, 2007 14:25:29 GMT -8
You mean the Queen of Alberni not the Surrey, I just checked the RBI  |
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Post by ferryking on Nov 15, 2007 14:36:58 GMT -8
You mean the Queen of Alberni not the Surrey, I just checked the RBI i just double checked and the rbi says that the coquitlam is on the langdale run from dec 3 to dec 8th Just checked the RBI and the Coquitlam and the Esquimalt are both listed for service on Route 30 starting on the 19th of november...i think from what i've read around the forum the esquimalt was due for this service but i believe that the Coquitlam info is new...looks like the Alberni is back on the 3rd of december. Of course this is all speculation as the RBI is just for reservation purposes not for actual ship deployment information. interesting though.... So when the coquitlam is done replacing the alberni it looks like it might be replacing the surrey...as the RBI is for scheduling purposes not deployment...ie all they have to make sure is that the boat that ends up doing the run has the reservation space that they listed, meaning if they list the esquimalt then they could deploy any bigger vessel...but if they listed the alberni and deployed the esquimalt they'd probably have reservation issues...thoughts by jack handy... |
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Post by Nucksrule on Nov 15, 2007 15:10:32 GMT -8
It's good that the Coquitlam is getting a heavy workload, rather than just sitting around. Too bad she doesn't get this much work at other times of the year. She will be the #1 or #2 boat on three routes in a time of 2 1/2 weeks.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Nov 15, 2007 16:56:46 GMT -8
I checked the RBI for the Langdale to HB run and the Queen of Surrey is the Ferry in service on those days, and the Alberni is schedual for her normal duties.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 15, 2007 21:35:29 GMT -8
Looks like the Saanich is out of refit and back at Swartz Bay today. I guess the Vancouver has gone back to Tsawwassen now.
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Post by ferryking on Nov 15, 2007 21:39:34 GMT -8
I checked the RBI for the Langdale to HB run and the Queen of Surrey is the Ferry in service on those days, and the Alberni is schedual for her normal duties. I checked again and from december 3rd till december 7th the Q of Coquitlam is listed.  |
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Post by hwy19man on Nov 16, 2007 12:34:32 GMT -8
Looks like the Saanich is out of refit and back at Swartz Bay today. I guess the Vancouver has gone back to Tsawwassen now. Which ever V-class ship is based at SWB, why is it not sailing at 1600h? What is going on, there will be backups. I know there is no 1200h sailing. |
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